Alex Adelman - CEO of Lolli

In this episode, Alex Adelman joins me as a guest to discuss how Lolli is driving Bitcoin adoption. He is the Co-founder and CEO.

​Alex Adelman
--- Twitter: https://twitter.com/alexadelman
--- Lolli Website: https://www.lolli.com/

Transcription

Brandon Zemp  0:00  
What's up guys? It is Wednesday, August 7, I have an awesome guest on the podcast today Alex Edelman, CEO of Lawley joins me to discuss how lobbyists driving consumer adoption. And we also talk about the future of Bitcoin. 

This is a really great episode where we go into a ton of detail. So definitely stick around until the end. As always, don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already and share your favorite episode with a friend, family member or colleague, someone that you think needs to learn more about crypto. Enjoy.

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Can you hear me?

Alex Adelman  0:40  
Yeah, I can hear you fine.

Brandon Zemp  0:41  
Okay, perfect. Well, how's your week going?

Alex Adelman  0:44  
Really good. Yeah, we've, we've been on a tear, we have a lot of really exciting partnerships coming up. And we just brought in a new head of communications. lot, a lot of good things happening.

Brandon Zemp  0:56  
But yeah, that's good to hear. So why don't you tell me a little bit about your your background and how you got into the whole crypto space?

Alex Adelman  1:05  
Yeah, so I guess I really got started in the Bitcoin space about five years ago, when I was building my last company cosmic. And what cosmic did is we created this e commerce gateway that let merchants sell their products and different channels. 

And I was we had this very similar mission, which was how do we democratize commerce, how do we give everyone in the world the ability to buy and sell anywhere, and about two years in I remember learning about Bitcoin, 

and just being absolutely fascinated with the technology, the principles of it, and just really started started to like, pay attention to all the cool things going on in the space. So as we continue to build cosmic we were this like e commerce gateway, we would we went really, 

really deep into the payment space, the security space, we would we would hook into the back end of everyone from Target all the way down to like shop apart five merchants and got to really see, I think, I think like what margins were merchants were optimizing for and what they were looking for, and

ended up like getting acquired by one of our biggest customers, which was

pop sugar to come in and power shop style with 1.2 billion in retail revenue. And then about a year in after about 10 x growth, we ended up getting acquired again, by an even bigger company called eBay. So taking sort of this idea around cash back at eBay, 

it's and seeing how US consumers, international consumers wanted rewards, they want cashback and also, you know, being really fascinated with Bitcoin and Bitcoin adoption more. So I got really interested in this idea of merging those two ideas and and providing people with an easier way to get into bitcoin. 

Aside from investing, we're mining, which most people I don't think ever would do, or will do. So yeah, we we parted ways with the Bates after about being there for about a year. And then we ended up starting a new company called lolly. 

They gave people a really, really easy way to earn Bitcoin when they shop online. We launched about 10 months ago, and we have over 900 merchants on the platform, things have gone really well. So here we are today.

Brandon Zemp  3:28  
Wow. 900 merchants. That's pretty crazy. Yeah, I use lolly quite a bit. Actually. last few weeks, I've been using it quite a bit because I didn't hear about it until about a month ago. 

And then when I started using it, I thought that you guys are gonna be similar to projects like moon or whatever, or that you guys didn't have like a lot of merchants or people that you're working with quite yet. Because I thought you guys were pretty early. 

But I mean, when I jumped into it, and I saw the merchants was like, geez, I can I can buy wine. I can buy shoes, which should just did last night, I can buy shaving supplies, like almost all the essentials, like it's pretty comprehensive. Thank you.

Alex Adelman  4:08  
Yeah, we've gotten to know a lot of these merchants over the last eight years. So I think one of the nice things is we're not starting from scratch. 

And we have a lot of these direct partnerships that that help us get higher rates than I think a lot of like entry level relationships or early relationships. Yeah, could generate. So yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad you checked it out. 

And yeah, we're onboarding new merchants every day. And it's getting, it's getting really exciting over here. Now, I think there's a lot of merchants that we're holding out are starting to see that their competitors have joined and their competitors have done really well to engage the Bitcoin community.

And they also see that there's a real opportunity for them to attract a new customer and compete with Amazon by offering Bitcoin back as an incentive mechanism. Absolutely. Do you guys have any target merchants that you're still trying to onboard? Amazon? 

Is that the most them Home Depot's really high in demand. wayfarer, and Airbnb. So travel has been our one of our biggest categories. And they right now we have booking.com, which is the number one travel site in the world. 

And then hotels.com, which is the number three travel site in the world. And Airbnb right now is number two, according to similar similar web. So we've been working really hard to get Airbnb on board. And verb OVRBO is a is Airbnb is like biggest competitor, they were sort of the original Airbnb. 

And they joined the platform pretty early on and have done, done really, really well people like renting homes. So I think eventually, hopefully all those partners that I mentioned will join us for you know, they'll see that their competitors are doing really well. And hopefully they'll they'll have to join us.

Brandon Zemp  5:53  
Yeah, Airbnb would be a huge one. I could see people using that all the time with lolly, because you pretty much use it by through online anyway. So but do you guys have any like airlines or anything? So I know that you guys are trying to hit travel pretty hard.

Alex Adelman  6:08  
Yeah, we have a few airline providers. So Priceline and cheapo are probably our two best. And they give flat fees for each airline each each flight. So the the the margins and airlines are actually pretty low. 

So it's nothing. It's not I mean, every every time people stack it's a good thing. And every time people you know are earning earning Bitcoin it's it's a good thing. But airline, airlines don't have that high margins to play with. But hotels and car rentals for travel. And then and then home rentals are a really big category for us and do really well.

Brandon Zemp  6:42  
Yeah, it's awesome. And it seems like you guys put in a lot of work to get those merchants were there any obstacles, growing lolly or launching it to get to where it is now?

Alex Adelman  6:52  
Yeah, there's, I mean, any company I think like our team, we already we built a company together, seven out of nine of us, you know, work work together previous some of that tentative, us know, work together previously. 

So the core team, we we've gone through like a lot together. And it's been a really fun journey. And we're I think we're used to it at this point. But yeah, I think to get the initial merchants on board, it took some convincing because a lot of them were not familiar with Bitcoin. 

And they've they've now they're like the I think one of the cool parts that I don't think a lot of people talk about is the merchant adoption has been very real. And we, I would love to actually put this to the test. 

But I think we've actually have probably more merchant adoption then just about any other Bitcoin company. So especially like fortune, you know, 5000, fortune 1000 merchants that are on our platform that are actually like engaged and using it. 

So I think the initially getting a lot of these bigger merchants on board, they had a lot of questions about Bitcoin, and the price volatility. And also, you know, some of the nefarious characters, and events they probably heard about over the years. 

But I think a very it was it was, I've been selling enterprise software for lighting last seven years, and a lot of it is you just have to find out what they're optimizing for. And really, we just positioned it around point systems. 

So giving them the the ability to go to like their bosses and say, Look, it's just a point system. But instead of some sort of arbitrary point that a company decides on it's Bitcoin. 

And Bitcoin is, is, you know, no one controls, and it's decided by everybody, you know, how much it's worth and and it's, you know, completely decentralized. 

And so they, I actually think that they've learned a lot over the last 10 months, because they see all of these new customers, they see the sales, and they're really excited by that opportunity to reach this new customer that wants to shop at their site, instead of you know, Amazon and and others.

Brandon Zemp  8:57  
Yeah, it's a fantastic like, in the middle, intermediate intermediary for a company that might, you know, be unsure about Bitcoin or whatever, but that would still like to target those customers and for the customers that would like to acquire Bitcoin, 

but like you said earlier, aren't keen on mining or don't necessarily know how to go on to Coinbase and buy bitcoin or whatever it does present, like, a very different and interesting way to kind of get in between the two and to kind of merge both the customer that's in the Bitcoin and the company. So yeah, it's very awesome what you guys are doing? Yeah, you brought

Alex Adelman  9:34  
up a good point, it's a lot about, like, I this, you know, I've this thesis that a lot of people are, clearly a lot of people are never going to mind. 

It's just expensive, it's it's difficult to understand, and that's okay, like, you know, mining can operate all over the world by, you know, people that are, you know, very, I guess, technically savvy that can that can do that. 

And I'm sure the people are going to mind from their their home. And I encourage that, and we want you to support that. And then the next wave of Bitcoin adopters came from investors, and they rely on exchanges, either centralized or decentralized exchanges in order to, to buy bitcoin. 

The fact is, is that most of the world, I would say, way more than actually even more than 99% of the world is never going to be a day trader or an active investor. And they need other ways, if we, if we are going to, you know, ever reach hyper Bitcoin ization, if we're ever going to adopt new digital currencies, we need to usher in this this next wave of consumers. And one thing that people that all people do is shop online. 

And so it's a very easy way for people to dip their toes in the space and learn about it. And I think that if you give everybody you know, 1520 3045 $50 in Bitcoin over the course of a few months, just from them buying groceries, and they can start to pay attention that the space and understand the principles, part of it will be about the price and they'll be either attracted to it or turned off by it, the volatility but as any investor would, but a lot of people will start to pay attention to the principles of Bitcoin, because they now own it. 

And they can tell their friends I own Bitcoin, every time it comes back up in the news, they can they can sort of identify with Bitcoin were before. I don't think too many people could identify with it, because they feel like they got left out, because it's been around for 10 years at this point. 

So I'm really excited for for one, I mean, I love introducing Bitcoin to people that already have it, because everyone wants to stack more sets. And I think that's exciting. 

But I'm even more excited about the people who have never had Bitcoin, that are just getting it for the first time with lolly and are, you know, converting to this new way of thinking about about currency and store value?

Brandon Zemp  11:55  
Absolutely. You know, I tell people all the time, the best way to learn about Bitcoin is to actually like own some buy. 

Yeah, like, not like go out and buy like 10 grand in Bitcoin, but by like 10 bucks in Bitcoin, if you can buy really small amount. 

So I tell people all the time, just go buy something like play around with it, lose it, send it to somebody receive it, understand how the technology works, there's like, there's no excuse not to and if you have trouble, like going out and setting up like Coinbase or something, then lolly is a great alternative, because you don't really have to do a whole lot, it kind of just facilitates it for you.

Alex Adelman  12:33  
Exactly.

Brandon Zemp  12:34  
So how does I obviously know how long he works, but for the people that will be listening, how how does lolly work,

Alex Adelman  12:41  
it says so the way that we we develop these partnerships is we we actually go to these merchants and these merchants will pay us when our users shop their site, it's an incentive mechanism. It's a loyalty program. 

And and so they they pay us every time a user shops the site, instead of us keeping it for ourselves, we actually share that with our consumers, our users sending Bitcoin to their lolly wallet, for $15 you can move that Bitcoin anywhere you want any address, you can actually exchange it to feed it with US dollars, we just keep it really easy to actually to to own it. 

And and we you know, we take care of all the partnerships, and and then the user just has to store it in their custodial wallet through lolly, or they can transfer it to their own address. For the consumer, it's it's takes 15 to 30 seconds to download the extension. It goes in your Chrome goes in your Chrome browser, Safari, Firefox, whatever browser you use most. 

And then anytime that a you go to let's just say Walmart or Priceline, it'll pop up and it'll say activate lolly. If you want to unlock even more deals, you go to lolly.com. And you just search all the stores and our on our site, you can sort them by category, you can rank them buy bitcoin back. 

And that's how a lot of like our power users are actually making a lot of earning a lot of Bitcoin by actually actively going to our site and searching the stores and in really changing their purchasing. 

If they would have gotten it at Amazon, there's no reason why they can't go to overstock or Walmart to go make those same purchases. And we have just about every category at this point. So there's really like, I really put it to the challenge. 

On one podcast, we did this thing where they, the guys like went through their last like 10 purchases on Amazon and just to see if we could stop if they could stacks outs on them through lolly and they were able to so we like to keep it really easy for people and give people as many opportunities to earn Bitcoin as possible.

Brandon Zemp  14:48  
Yeah, it seems really easy to use to at least from my experience, because it just sits in your will in my Chrome tab as it as an extension and just kind of like pops up when I'm on the or I can like search for stuff which actually do more often I will go into the app to see where I can buy stuff. 

So if I'm buying wine or if I'm buying shaving stuff or mine shoes, I kind of just go through Lawley to see if the options there is it's kind of nice, how big of a cashback you get in Bitcoin like some of them are like eight 9% and then some of the subscription or one of the subscriptions i think is for like Harry's or whatever is like 20 something percent just ridiculous. Yeah. There's like no reason not to use it.

Alex Adelman  15:32  
That's that's kind of how we feel. It's like it's free money. You're just it's super easy to get involved in it's there's no risk. I think it's just a really easy way for people to get involved in Bitcoin without having to actually invest in

Brandon Zemp  15:44  
it. So regarding the lolly wallet, I haven't played around with it too much yet, but what's the security behind it? Is it something that has that there's a backup see that the customer should be aware of is it handled all through Bali? Or what's the thought behind

Alex Adelman  16:03  
know it so it's, it's completely custodial at this point, and, and people can transfer it off to other wallets if they if they want to, you know, manage their their own see their own private keys. 

We we take the utmost security protocols to protect people's Bitcoins. And we've diversified those protocols into in order to ensure we're not like relying on any one party for our custody solutions. 

And yeah, it's you know, it's our it's our team's background is security and privacy our last company was like PCI level one compliant, we were dealing with fortune 100 merchants payment data, we were doing you know, 

pretty significant credit card tokenization so we're really applying a lot of the same payment protocols and principles that we have worked worked in over the last eight years with our last company and now this company and then our engineering team decades of experience in like security and and payment space.

Brandon Zemp  17:12  
That's good. I mean, it's makes people a lot of iffy in the crypto space when they don't have the ability to like take their like seed for their wallet like off exchange or like have like a second way of like securing their their Bitcoin or their crypto. 

But I don't imagine people having that much in a wallet wallet new ways. Like unless you were like a mega purchaser nearby, like all kinds of stuff and getting massive Bitcoin rewards. I don't see that necessarily being an issue anyways.

Alex Adelman  17:43  
Yeah, if you can't, if you can't trust

us with like, you know, $50 in Bitcoin, it's like, Come on, guys. Like we got you. And it's, you know, we want everyone to learn about private keys eventually. 

But also, it's like you should, you should be able to trust us with like a little bit of Bitcoin. Now, we do have some, like power users that have stacked a lot of sides. And those it's like, you know, we need to encourage them to move that Bitcoin to their own wallets. 

And and like a lot of them already have. So yeah, we, it's, I think I think like the state of where our users are at and how they're using it right now. Like, we feel very confident that, you know, we're the best customer solution to be able to handle a lot of different wallets carrying, like, small amounts. But yeah, I think that over time, like a lot of our users have started to earn quite a bit. 

And it's up to us to educate them on the importance of key management, and hardware, wallets and all that good stuff. Do you guys have any competition or is lolly kind of a one man show at this point? I think we were first to market and definitely best. I haven't seen any real competition that has really made us feel like we need to be doing something different or anything. 

Clearly, there's like been a few copycats that came out of the gate that thought they could like capitalize on the market. But I think the biggest thing is that there's so few people that saw what we saw at eBay, it's and has been in the space for as long as we have. 

So I think we've been able to execute really well, we have really, um, we have like tier one investors all across the board that like, you know, a lot of defense abilities there on the consumer side and the crypto side. So I don't know, like I, I don't want to be like, you know, sure, like there's people that are copying what we're doing, because I think they see that we're we've been successful. 

And, you know, I mean, they're welcome to copy us doesn't make sense for us to like enforce our provisional patent on Bitcoin rewards or anything like that at this point, but yeah, I wouldn't compete against us. But anyone that does I create sort of like a competitive product. We I think it's not good for Bitcoin, if it if it brings more Bitcoin adopters, I think that's like a good thing. 

So I think as long as people are in it for the right reasons, and they're not doing it as just sort of a marketing tactic. I think they'll be okay. 

We, you know, we're in it to distribute Bitcoin to as many people as possible, and to to introduce this next wave of crypto currencies and digital caches, and new a new store of value. 

And I think a few of the competitors have come out, just kind of use Bitcoin as like a marketing hook. So you can kind of see like, who's in it? And who's in it for the right reasons.

Brandon Zemp  20:41  
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. One question I've actually gotten a lot of remarks on as well, regarding lolly is, is lolly thinking about targeting any of the or onboarding any of the companies that are app based, like Postmates, for example, or Uber Eats? Or, or doordash? Since people are usually on their mobile device?

Alex Adelman  21:07  
Yeah, so we just started work on on a mobile application. 

And we're really excited to launch it at some point in the next few months. So yeah, we actually have a partnership with caviar, we're about to announce a few other on demand delivery applications that we just partnered with. 

So I think like, you know, our whole thing, what you can expect from us over the next few months, is really just giving people more ways to earn. I don't think like there could ever be like enough ways for people to like be incentivized to earn, we want people to stacks out and in just about everything that they do. 

So giving people more ways to earn is really important. And yeah, I think you can expect us to like onboard a lot of those food delivery partners, we want to get into coffee, you know, getting your coffee every morning, 

going and getting gas, taking an Uber ride a Lyft ride, all of these different ways that people can stock SAS and earn Bitcoin, I think is a going to be a good thing for our users, just to have more ways to earn.

Brandon Zemp  22:10  
Yeah, it's fantastic for the network. And it's fantastic for Bitcoin and all the users in general, if you have Starbucks and Postmates on there, I'll be using it every single day like you kind of eliminate the excuses not to not to use Lawley or not to accumulate Bitcoin or kind of be involved with it. 

Like, it's a very simple concept that, at least for me, it works really well. And for people that I know that use it, it works really well. So definitely excited to see where you guys take that.

Alex Adelman  22:41  
Yeah, thank you so much. I appreciate you using it and spreading it with more people.

Brandon Zemp  22:47  
Yeah, absolutely. So are you guys, I know that you guys are primarily focused on Bitcoin right now. But in the future, do you guys have potential plans or thoughts, allowing people to get rewards in a different alt coin other than Bitcoin?

Alex Adelman  23:05  
Right now, I think Bitcoins are the, you know, the has proven its value to society. And the biggest way, and I think a lot of all coins still have a lot to prove. So I I am not opposed to adding new currencies. And I read white papers all the time about new and exciting projects,

I have no incentive to offer anything that has like a chance of, you know, failure, or has not launched yet. I just don't want to get into the game of like, distrust with our users. 

I think that our users right now trust us we are Bitcoin only. There's extreme value, long term value in in Bitcoin and Bitcoin has already proven its value to society. There's just so many other projects out there that have tried to mimic the principles, and it keeps coming back to Bitcoin being able to execute on what it set out to do. So I think like, I'm really long one, like second layer solutions, like lightning and liquid are two really exciting projects. 

And I just think there's going to be more and more applications that come out. And secondly, are solutions that come out that make Bitcoin even better, and live up to the promise that it always had. But right now, bitcoins, like an incredible store of value. 

And it's been you know, it's it's, it's like, it is the only I think true decentralized currency that has reached a certain scale that I wouldn't say it's like completely unbreakable yet, but it is like, pretty close, and nobody controls and there's something really powerful about that. I haven't I haven't seen that with too many other things in this world, I think I'm most excited about the fact that like, every single person in the world can hypothetically own trade and use Bitcoin. 

And and I don't know, if there's too many other currencies that I would like, put my faith in to do that, at this point. I'm told, I'm very open, I'm not dogmatic at all just as a my personality is not dogmatic. But I do care about the trust of lolly and the trust of the of our product. 

And it, you can't like while I do believe in a free market, and and everybody can use lolly to earn Bitcoin and buy whatever they want with a Bitcoin. And I know that there are some users that have used Bitcoin to go buy a theorem. And that's great. Like, we don't stop anyone from using lolly at all, in any way that they want to. But right now, we're very focused on Bitcoin. 

And then the second point is, it's already it's also a marketing tactic to a certain degree, in the fact that like Bitcoin is, is the simplest thing to understand if you if you introduce 30 different currencies, and someone has to then decide and you give them decision fatigue, about how to, like what to earn, and make them choose between all these currencies. 

It, it's tough on the onboarding side, to get them into this new financial future that we want to this world that we want to live in. If you make it really difficult, if you just introduce them to Bitcoin. It's a similar concept to understand and see the value of very quickly.

Brandon Zemp  26:16  
Absolutely, I like the simplicity of what you guys are doing with lolly because it helps me come back to it almost on a daily basis to want to use it, because there's not too many knobs and gears that I got to be turning and I share your sentiment and excitement on Bitcoin definitely, because it's by far the most established crypto and blockchain that's out there right now. 

And I felt I was in your position, I wouldn't want to necessarily jumped anything else too soon anyways, for all the same reasons. And you brought up the lightning network to, which is, something's really exciting. 

I'm very excited to see where that ends up going. And I've used it and a number of little projects built on lightning quite a few times, I bought pizza with lightning. 

It's pretty exciting what you can do with it and how it scales Bitcoin. Do you see Lawley doing any partnerships with Litecoin network or integrating lightning network? In future?

Alex Adelman  27:13  
Absolutely, I really liked the lightning team. And we really haven't had a ton of demand for it, a lot of people have have really been just using the lolly custodial solution. 

But in some cases, when the network is spiking, and we do, they do request transfers, we don't charge any transaction fees on our end, but some people have like, I think it's been like one or two people have been hit with high transaction fees on the Bitcoin network. And and those people, you know, have been like a, it would be great if we could use lightning. 

In those cases, it's it's such an edge case at this point, that it hasn't been a big enough issue to, to really, you know, go through the implementation of of adding lightning. But I loved the lightning team, I think it's really exciting for what they're doing on top of Bitcoin. 

And I think it's almost at a point now where it would make sense to to add it at some point in the near future. So we're keeping a close eye on it. And I think when we when we get to be, you know, bigger and we have more resources and and and more people are, are moving money off of the Lawley network, then that it makes more sense to actually integrate lightning. 

And then when we get into the payment side in the future, I think it also gets really exciting to to implement lightning as a mechanism for people to accept Bitcoin, if you're a merchant, and you want to decrease your your chargeback fees and you want an immutable currency, 

if you want to decrease your credit card fees that you have to that you just have as a cost of doing business, then then it gets really exciting to actually look at Bitcoin as a solution that will lower the cost of transactions that will give people the ability to pay and maybe be even incentivize to pay Bitcoin, if they're using a second layer solution. 

That gets really exciting, I think to you know, when we start to go to all of our merchants, and and say, Hey, Walmart, you know, we've generated you 10s of millions of dollars in sales at this point. And would you be interested in implementing lightning network through lolly and having a pay with lolly button that lets people pay very easily with with Bitcoin on lightning? Absolutely. 

I really like how lightning uses payment channels, it seems like it's a lot easier to encourage a business to want to use it because it's very direct, obviously very fast to it's very scalable for Bitcoin. 

And I can picture pretty clearly in my mind being able to shop online with lolly and save and all these places and then have a payment option through the lightning network to use that 25 $30 that maybe I save up and Bitcoin, cashback and buy a pizza with that, or buy some like everyday essentials at the store physically. 

I bring my my phone with me or like there's a lot of interesting angles that you guys can definitely take. So yeah, excited to see any potential partnerships with that in the future. And obviously love what lightning networks doing too. 

Yeah, it's really cool as I love I love solutions that are like looking at Bitcoin that are I think you can always like, look at it short term. 

And sure, I mean, there's a lot of exciting projects that just got started and I'm not gonna like, you know, shit on anybody that I you know, I don't I don't know enough about I just personally think like bitcoins, the most developed network, and has proven the most solutions, 

I think that are like not necessarily looking for like short term gains and are more looking for like long term impact to Bitcoin, I think will be very successful. 

Lightning is is one of one of those solutions, I think, has done a great job in building on top of Bitcoin and hopefully will be very successful because of that.

Brandon Zemp  30:57  
Oh, yeah, definitely I can see being very successful and focusing on Bitcoin, my opinion is definitely the right move just because it's so established right now and everything, it's everything else, all the other blockchains. 

I mean, a lot of them are fantastic. And I'm on them all the time, especially a theorem and all the other platforms. 

But Bitcoin for this kind of stuff is definitely the most established. And I think most your customer base we want to focus on anyways. 

So I'm glad you guys are. And I know we've kind of talked about future of Lawley quite a bit already. But how does Ali plan on growing from here? And what is lollies roadmap look like.

Alex Adelman  31:33  
So the biggest thing that we just started working on is the mobile application. And that's going to give people more ways to stack SATs more ways to earn Bitcoin, coffee, gas ride sharing, like all these different ways that that you can earn on a daily basis as opposed to on a weekly monthly basis. 

With the current system where you know, same protocols are going to apply to that we're still you know, still building a bitcoin wallet that lets people transact or transact and earn anywhere. So that's going to be really exciting, you know, on the on the horizon. And then just like I mean, we, we have so many partnerships in the pipeline that that we're about to announce. 

So I think following us on Twitter is the best way to follow along. We do have a blog, we post a lot of blog posts on Twitter, but it's trial Ali is the the handle and then download it. It's it takes literally like less than 30 seconds. So you know, put it in your browser, we make it really easy. 

We protect your privacy. It's a secure way to earn Bitcoin. And yeah, and then we're all like the entire team is on Twitter. We're super open. 

Always looking for feedback. So yeah, just just let us know how we can be most helpful and and always looking to get feedback on where we can take the product. You know what direction we can take the product, what features you will want. 

But yeah, it's a our community is amazing. And just very, very lucky, very thankful for everything that they've helped us do.

Brandon Zemp  33:08  
Yeah, I'll post some of those links in the description as well to the blog and Twitter and whatnot. So they can check it out. And then the website, obviously, so they can go download Chrome, the extension for Chrome and whatnot. 

Yeah, I'm very excited about where you guys are going with lolly. And thank you for coming on and talking about it and kind of sharing your experience and everything that lolly is working on. And obviously thank you for building Wally to it's it's fantastic. 

And as a user, I enjoy using it every day. And I'm sure a lot of people also enjoy using it and they'll take a lot of value out of this podcast. So yeah, thank you for coming on.

Alex Adelman  33:48  
Yeah, thank you for having me. Great questions.

Brandon Zemp  33:50  
Yeah, again, thanks for coming on. And we'll see you next time.

Alex Adelman  33:53  
All right, take care man. Bye