In this episode, my friend Coldie joins me to discuss what he is doing in Crypto Art, Cryptovoxels, and more!
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Brandon Zemp 0:00
Hey guys is Wednesday, October 30. This week on the podcast, my friend, my man, cold he joins me to discuss crypto art and a number of other topics. Cool. He definitely has a footprint in the crypto art space. He's also involved in the community for crypto foxholes. You'll see him around there. And he's also got an interesting take on the market. So we have a great conversation in general and I think you guys would really like it. As always be sure to subscribe if you haven't already and share this episode with someone that you think would like to learn about crypto crypto art blockchain. Alright guys enjoy.
So how you doing?
doing pretty well How you doing?
Brandon Zemp 0:48
So for the audience once you tell us a little bit about who you are background a little bit just so they can get familiar with you.
My name is Coldie. I'm a commercial artist as well as a fine artist. I started off got my I got a degree in fine art. And from there started working as a graphic designer for a couple different companies. I worked for IKEA as their in house designer, which was super fun. And then after that, I got a, I guess this is kind of a dream job. I worked for LA Weekly, which is a big, old alternative newspaper in Los Angeles and I got to design all their covers and do some really experimental stuff. It was a great job. I didn't know what I had. I was super young, but I had a great time.
Brandon Zemp 1:42
Yeah, when did you do that?
That was in 2006.
Brandon Zemp 1:50
Okay, okay, that was a while ago then.
Unknown Speaker 1:53
Yeah, I was like fresh out of when I didn't even know what the hell I was doing. which I think was kind of the beautiful side of it was I came out of school where there was no rules. And somehow I landed a job that also didn't have a lot of rules. So I just kind of hopped in there and just experimented and, you know, you learn to work quickly at a weekly newspaper because things you know, every week there's a new cover, there's new layout, so you learn to iterate quickly and self edit. And I think those are a lot of skills that I've been holding on to ever since.
Brandon Zemp 2:30
Yeah, I can imagine were you in like journalism or like what was your like your backgrounds that like led you into wanting to do that?
Unknown Speaker 2:39
My background and it was purely design that got me I was like their staff, graphic designer. Okay, so I would work with the design but actually, in the process of working there, I started getting, I would do concert reviews, where I get concert tickets and go check out my favorite bands and, you know, get get to do a write up on it. So that was a little bit of like, out of my comfort zone. Creativity, which I really love doing that type of stuff too.
Brandon Zemp 3:08
Yeah, that sounds cool. What did you do after that, like what followed up afterwards?
Unknown Speaker 3:14
actually really funny. It's come full circle. So I was at LA Weekly and I was approached by a virtual world startup and it had really good backing and the music industry and it you know, it was looking like it had some potential so I took the leap and I went over there and that literally was right before the economy crashed. So it was great until it wasn't so after
Brandon Zemp 3:41
can imagine after that was it called
Unknown Speaker 3:44
was called music mogul. And it was, you know, funding phases and it was you know, getting traction. But you know, looking back is still ahead of its time a little bit too early. Started got me into that. Seeing the World virtually so soon as possible around I was just I was all about it. I knew I knew what it was about.
Brandon Zemp 4:06
Yeah. Alright, so you're probably pretty familiar with with everything when it comes to crypto box was then when since you kind of have that background a little bit
Unknown Speaker 4:13
at least I saw where it could go you know it was it's whenever you look at these startups you know you don't know what the what the plan is but I knew some potentials and the way I was interacting with it and just how easy it was to just start building and being a part of it was so fascinating to me that I've had so much fun great
Brandon Zemp 4:36
yeah, that's one of the things I like about crypto box was so much as the whole community behind it I've been I've known about it for geez almost a year but like, early spring like is when I started like really engaging with the community and everything and with the developer and then watching Gotham watch it grow like exponentially, like over a three four month period of time. But now the key entities awesome too. And it's really addicting. And I'm sure you recognize that too.
Unknown Speaker 5:05
Yeah, I mean, the addicting factor is, you know, pretty obvious I, I love. I just love experimenting. So every plot I get, it's kind of its own incubator. And I try not replicate the experiment because it gets kind of redundant. But, you know, I picked up a car actually MIMO loaned me one of his blogs. And that hooked me in I understood how to start building. And after I built my own space with my own crypto art, I started doing different stuff where then I built a gallery for art I was collecting, so I started to like, figure out how curating a collection would work. Just recently I started doing another one where it's a I'm calling it an artist Co Op. I'm the plot and I divided it into 12 different shipping containers. Okay, so it's kinda got this industrial look. And I'm going to have artists in each of those containers. So people can kind of walk around like a mall and get a quick dose of a bunch of different art. Yeah, that's interesting. What
Brandon Zemp 6:17
neighborhood is that in?
And that's up in modville.
Brandon Zemp 6:20
Okay. That's one of the new ones.
Unknown Speaker 6:23
Yeah. Okay, that. So that's just another thing that, you know, who knows what, what will come from it. But, you know, it's, I knew what the importance of someone loaning me some land to get my feet wet. So it's kind of like an onboarding zone as well, where people will get in there. And if they like it, then they're opened up to, you know, get their own space and build out.
Brandon Zemp 6:47
Yeah, totally. And that's awesome. It's actually a really good idea to I've had a bunch of partials for a while. I mean, after a period of time, you kind of run out of things to build and things to do. But it Yeah, I've been trying to grab as many as possible just because they're so relatively cheap and with the market down and everything. It's a steal to me.
Unknown Speaker 7:08
Yeah, it's a real risk. I mean, worst case is it doesn't, you know, the investment doesn't pay off but like the fun I'm having is like paying off for any of that like risk. I'm just having a blast. So I will do that then like, go to an extra concert or out a couple times it pays itself off pretty quick.
Brandon Zemp 7:30
Yeah, I'm totally blanking on crypto box was becoming a completely unique like social platform because after spending time talking to to Ben, the developer about everything he's doing and how he's full time with this now and how he's getting interns and his passion for it and his backstory and whatnot. He seems like he really wants to go all the way with this. And I think for a lot of us that have been around for a while. We kind of see his vision and we see what It's going like next couple years, even at the end of this year, having all the parcels out there for the first time, like 3000, or whatever it is, and then completely filling it out. That's a point where he does actually doesn't know where to go from there. It would just be like, like developmental stuff and trying to like fix bugs and whatnot. So there's some like value to those parcels, especially if it gains more traction and there's more foot traffic and with since we're kind of like on the advent of VR and everything I just can't imagine something like crypto box was not getting a lot of attention over the next 3, 4, 5 years.
Unknown Speaker 8:38
Yeah, I agree. I think there's going to be a couple of different you know, there's already a couple does central land and Samia, I don't know how to say that correctly. Yes, I'm names based. Yeah, so there's there's a couple of those that are popping up and I feel like they all have their own. possible use case. really see walk. This being like Yo, I'm from LA art scene. So I'm used to like the underground, you know, graffiti guys the right, you know, the shepherd fairies, the guys who are like little bit under underground. And I see there being a certain draw for different types of people. Like, it's perfect for artists. You don't need to have some intense coding, you know? No, like unity knowledge to 3d model. You don't you know, the the barrier of entry is very low. Right? or nothing that alone. It's a first mover for the common person, which I think is huge. So it'll be interesting to see.
Brandon Zemp 9:42
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, next four or five years are going to be really interesting to see XV we got the new Oculus quest that just came out this past spring. And that's driving tons and tons of attention. It's incredible to win it when I put on that headset for the first time like a month ago, so I finally could get my hand On one I was surprised that you could actually see through the headset like the sensors are like built on the headset and it allows you to like move in like three degrees freedom or whatever it is six degrees of freedom up down the fry it back and forth just like the riff just without the cords but I didn't know that it like mapped out your environment. So like when I put it on, I was like, Okay, well how am I supposed to draw or like, like get like the area that I can like play in you know? And then all sudden, it just it put up entire picture of my room up. I'm just freaked me
out treat me the hell out.
Yeah. I don't know if you've tried quest or not yet, but like,
Unknown Speaker 10:42
No, I'm actually just about to buy it. I have the link on my screen that I'm looking like
Brandon Zemp 10:46
I literally had my headset on us walking around my house. And I was like, This is ridiculous. Wow, the technologies it's definitely here and I think when more people start realizing that they're going to Jump into VR spend more time in VR and that and what does that lead to think going to have more places that they need to go to outside of just Facebook's platforms? Right? So for me, it's like, Okay, well, crypto boxes is a is a good alternative, alternative place, they could go outside of like VR chat and alt space and whatnot, which are cool, but, I mean, Who wouldn't? Who wouldn't want to walk around and crypto box wasn't VR? I mean, it's it's kind of got it sometimes.
Yeah, I got to do a just a really brief
Unknown Speaker 11:34
think it was it must have been the Rift. It was at the Bitcoin San Francisco conference. And I got to throw on the headset and look at my own gallery. And it was kind of like, Honey, I Shrunk the Kids, where I was used to like designing and playing with it on my desktop, but then I was like, inside of like I zoomed in to the screen. It Willy Wonka on what It is like some crazy a mess with my head for a while.
Brandon Zemp 12:03
Yeah, it's crazy.
Unknown Speaker 12:05
That's my that's my only concern personally is, you know, one more thing that I'm going to get sucked into. Yeah, I think
Brandon Zemp 12:14
it's just reality though. I mean, we're all sucked into our phones now. I mean, eventually won't have our phones, just everything will be wearing everything. It'll just be like VR, or whatnot. But I think it's just a change that we'll have to get used to in time.
Unknown Speaker 12:28
I'm fully supportive. It's fine. I mean, and also, it's just a whole new like, honestly, all I want to do is make art all day long. And I don't get to do that all day long. So the new way that I can, you know, flex my creative brain. I'm all about hopping into VR and trying to figure stuff out in there. Yeah, that's, that's the most
Brandon Zemp 12:50
to me has definitely got opportunities for art and VR. But yeah, let's talk about that more. So I know that you you do a lot of art and everything. Then I've seen some interesting crazy pieces to like Walking around and crypto boxes when I go by your parcels. So yeah, tell me a little bit more about that. Like, what do you have that you released recently? Or what kind of style do you like and like, generally curious.
Unknown Speaker 13:13
Yeah, I started off. God must have been a little over a year ago with this decentralized portrait series where I started doing these decentralized portraits so I took 10 different pictures of safe The first one is metallic so I took 10 pictures of metallic and clipped an ear, a nose base, forehead, all the different pieces off the different pictures. Then I reassembled them into a new portrait, and my specialty is with stereoscopic which is like three dimensions and depth. So I started combining those into 3d and it was just totally fun to me. I I've never done a I'd never done a portrait before and it was that out of the comfort zone fresh thing. And it's I'm still doing them today and there's just so much fun there's no rules and the more experimenting I do I come up with new ways to animate the the artworks and just keep pushing my own skill sets. So it's, it's really interesting. If you look at the first ones compared to the ones I'm doing now, there's, there's definitely an evolution lineage, which I think in the long term, you know, if someone's collecting this type of stuff, it'll they'll be able to tell what was earlier and what was later and it's up to them, you know, what's what they like more, but it's, it's fun for me to take a step back and see where I've come from and where I'm going.
Brandon Zemp 14:51
Yeah, it's definitely interesting and you definitely have a unique style but like taking those pieces and putting them all together like the metallic one. I've definitely seen that one around and I've seen a lot on Twitter too. It's definitely interesting. Is that one of your your newest ones?
Unknown Speaker 15:07
The Vitalik So the way I've been doing the digital ones, they're all for the most part of like one of ones on super rare. So, I've done metallic I've done the most of so I do. I see metallic, it's up to like, I think I've done six of them. And this is part of the experiment of when does a one on one I my personal opinion is the more you see of an image and a series, the more the more shows that successful as long as people are buying it. So I'm testing that with metallic. So I was originally going to like maybe only do one or two. I just kept coming up with these just interesting pieces of art. And I was like well, why not release it? It's a piece of art. You know what, I'm just going to make it so metallic one started off. Very, my very first one was tokenized on rare art labs and their ERC 20 tokens. So I released an anime cliff, which is a red and blue 3d glasses of that one. And that was the very first like foray into the series. And then, since then I went to like an animated GIF that kind of wiggled back and forth to start doing some motion. And then my newest ones is spacing out the layers and kind of orbiting around it to give even, like more hyper emotion and kind of some surrealism in there. So each one is like, they all stand on their own, like they're all unique pieces I definitely don't put out to that are kind of the same. To honor the one on one
but Each one is its own beast and I've done
Unknown Speaker 17:02
I've also done a few. Andreas Antonopoulos, a couple Dorian Nakamotos, some john McAfee. So I'm trying to, I'm trying to pick people who are also polarizing in the space. You know, Mac is like a celebrity. Yeah, he is. Yeah, he's a celebrity. And I think those are the people who will have a footnote in the, in the history of crypto, you know, they did something. They didn't invent a theorem, but they were huge. Like, he was the Ico hype guy. Like, eat your junk at a million bucks guy. Yeah, like, that's, that's something so that's the hard part is picking, picking the guys to
it's actually really hard for now.
Brandon Zemp 17:48
I'm moving McAfee I mean, he's huge in the crypto world. I mean, he's incredibly polarizing.
Unknown Speaker 17:52
Yeah, he was he was more of the easier I wouldn't call him a villain but like when I look at people, like there's philanthropic people, there's no mentors and then there's like the bad guy and it's hard to pick a guy who's like kind of on the edge because you're kind of giving them power when you make a piece of art about them yeah. So I think I think very hard about people before I I make pictures there's plenty of people who run projects that I could make one I can make a Justin son right now but i'd hate myself for like giving him any time Don't you not like Justin said oh
Brandon Zemp 18:31
I don't have opinion either way I'm just curious he it's interesting. No, I mean, I don't know if you invest in Tron or use use the Tron network or, or anything like that.
I shouldn't I don't hate the guy just
Unknown Speaker 18:49
came up a little night. Hey, I mean, it's the you entitled to your opinion. I I don't really care either way either. But I mean, I do find it very interesting for sure. For a number of reasons. He's a master marketer, which I really do. I really applaud him. Like, the the announcement of an announcement, like, kind of blew my mind. Like he really handled that. And it worked out. Yeah,
Brandon Zemp 19:12
he's a great marketer, for sure. I mean, he, I mean, tron is basically a huge rip off of a theorem and they completely copied it, and then like, put their own spin on it. Like, I totally, like, get that whole vibe. But I mean, at the same time, he's incredibly good at marketing, and he's a smart kid. So it's like, I kind of don't like the projects, but at the same time, I kind of respect him a little bit. It's weird. It's interesting. He's fun to follow, though. Yeah, I'll take it.
Unknown Speaker 19:44
So, yeah, I mean, there's that's the thing is, when i when i when someone pops into my head, I have to think about, first of all, do I want to look at this person's face for the next 30 hours of artwork, if I want them to be in series so you know i'm i'm actually like maybe like Caitlin long some of these people like from Wyoming like these people were just like trying to like help this is right like you know it's so anyways it's
Brandon Zemp 20:14
an interesting you know you should do is you do one for Charles Hoskinson
yeah he's on he's on that maybe lyst
Brandon Zemp 20:20
yeah he's he's he's an interesting guy for sure.
Unknown Speaker 20:23
His beard would be interesting to like clip apart I could oh my gosh yeah you some crazy yeah you do a lot with his beard.
Brandon Zemp 20:30
He's like the funniest like attitude and demeanor like on on Twitter too. Cuz he gets so fired up when guys like Justin sun or Dan Larimer start like marketing iOS or Tron and he has such a strong opinion about it. It's it's almost kind of comical and a lot of ways. But yeah, he's a cool guy, too. I mean, he's doing a lot for the space, that he'd be an interesting person to do like an art piece for like, definitely messed with his Harry Potter glasses and his beard and everything and
Unknown Speaker 21:03
yeah, I know that the caricature is gonna happen pretty quick with this. When I when I made the metallic, it kind of like, felt like Mad Magazine. And, you know, if you looked at metallic you wouldn't get that impression but as soon as I started like oversized, his, his gear or whatever it was like these, it just became a caricature of himself. So it's, there's a fine line because I don't want him to look at it and be like, I fucking hate that. You know, I wanted to have a little bit of, you know, it's
Brandon Zemp 21:34
right. It's still respect. Now it's art. I mean, I'm sure he would, I'm sure if he's, if he has seen it, he probably finds it humorous. I mean, he's not one on stage like singing, with like unicorns in the background and like weird shit, so I'm sure he wouldn't find it offensive.
Unknown Speaker 21:53
I think once you're in the public spotlight, I think that's just part of the ride. You're on is You're just part of culture and art is a riff of culture. It is in a lot of ways. Who do you want to do next? You know, as we're doing this, I'm like thinking about who I want to do next. And I actually one of them I thought would be fun would be like the Winklevoss twins. Yeah, that would be a good you know, do a duo, right? And then, but they're like identical twins, so I could actually clip probably, or I have to find the nuances of whose ear is different. You
Brandon Zemp 22:28
know, I'd have to do a little research. Well, they're twins. They could be the same person. You just draw one Winkle boss. That's why Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. And then maybe make little changes on it. I mean, but I mean, it'd be kind of funny to have just say the Winklevoss twins or the Winkle via and then have like, one Winkle by? Because they're basically the same.
Unknown Speaker 22:46
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So I actually think just for the fun of it, they're high up on the list. We'll see I'm doing different things are going waves.
Brandon Zemp 22:56
Yeah, there's a lot of people to think of the
Unknown Speaker 23:00
Yeah, I mean, I, there's there's there's plenty, plenty of folks. I mean, yeah. But I think the Winkle, the Winkle vibe could be a good option, because at the same time also, you know, we're also in this as our own marketers for the movement, you know, this is this is for me to have fun making art, but also a huge conversation starter. Oh, absolutely. And as soon as you get, you know, I would love to get like an investment banker who happens to know that the Winklevoss guys, I could teach him about crypto, just add an art show. And I think that's a huge power to kind of making crypto and art and getting it out to the traditional art markets. And that yes, well have
Brandon Zemp 23:48
you interacted with any of the other artists on crypto foxholes, because I know there's a lot of them. Oh, yeah, there's,
Unknown Speaker 23:53
well, there's a bunch. It's kind of different. There's some overlap. I know most everybody super rare and I would say some majority of those are on boxes but then there are people like joy Porsche or the joy the joy guy oh my god I'm I'm in love with with his yeah
Brandon Zemp 24:12
i think that's I think devil does that one I'm I go by username because everyone uses a username on discord no one really really often goes by their their actual name so I remember
Unknown Speaker 24:28
I actually just got in touch with joy like today or something on Twitter was like one of these elusive people's like oh I think he was playing with his Oculus quest
Brandon Zemp 24:40
and did a cool he's got a lot of talent he really does. Oh yeah he had a couple parcels in in Frankfort and he did like this entire like cheese wizards castle It was absolutely ridiculous.
Yep, I've been to that. Yep, those those blew my mind.
Brandon Zemp 24:57
Yeah, he's he's definitely got some skill but I mean I've talked to a lot of these artists and I've talked to them like, sometimes on a daily basis. I've had a number of them on the podcast to they're absolutely fantastic. And usually the conclusion we always come to is that with with the art they're doing with crypto art, it it's really a driver for attention for a lot of people because I mean, its content you can put it on social media, you can take it to a conference. You can give it to somebody someone can buy it from you put it on Open Season FT. And it's when people ask about it sparks conversation, I mean, art can carry a story and, and tell a lot about whatever the agenda is, in this case, crypto and I think for a lot of these artists, they see the opportunity to help educate the general public through art as an interesting way of going about it. So
Unknown Speaker 25:50
yeah, I agree. It's it's really the Wild West. There's so many avenues depending on what type of art you're making. You can literally just You could just innovate. And was it still so far ahead of the curve of like 99.9% of other others? I'll tell all my artists friends, I tell them all about what I'm doing and not pushing just just planting seeds and educating and just sharing. And it literally goes over everyone's head. And they they kind of tuned me out. And I'm like, Well, I'm not trying to sell you anything. I'm just telling you like, some new tech, and they just just too much. So it's, it's very early on for anybody who's taking chances and experimenting. I think it's a win win.
Brandon Zemp 26:38
Yeah, it's cool, though, right? I mean, because I know like the art industry in general kind of gets a little snooty. It kind of gets a little boring. Like what are we making art for like, unless there's like a movement or there's like something happening in the world you don't really pay attention to art, not like you used to. It's but in like crypto. It's cool though. Like when you see are popping up all over the place because there's just there's so much culture that has come out of the entire crypto industry and in the last 10 years, and there's a lot to piggyback off of, and I, it just feels like it's the cool thing to do like for artists at least, and I just see more of them like every single day.
Yeah, it's definitely I think,
Unknown Speaker 27:23
since I started, and I'm by no means like, the OG like crypto graffiti, or anybody, but since I've been in here for, you know, a year, year and a half, I've seen a huge uptick in just general artists, like there's kind of a difference in my mind. There's a person who makes art about crypto. And then there's a person who uses crypto to interact with their art or like it's digitized on the blockchain, but it doesn't reference the movement. So there's a couple different camps that are kind of interweaving. But in the last Six months or so, there's just been so many digital painters and just collage artists who are coming in. And I can just tell the excitement from them that, you know, all of us, there's a gazillion artists out there. And it's so very difficult to sell a piece of art even for like, too cheap, it's very hard for to pay for art. But here, you can, as long as it's good. I mean, there's active buyers, and you might make 50 or 100 bucks. Yeah, and that's, that's really hard to do. Like, even if you're busking or an art fair.
Brandon Zemp 28:36
You have to work real hard for that. They're they're flying off open see right now, like that, like it, there's just so many easy avenues to create digital art and then lyst it as like an NF. T. And then I mean, for an artist that's like a dream, being able to have like an art piece that you make and then guarantee that you're not only going to get paid 100% for It but the same time that there's like a history of ownership that always links back to permanently on the blockchain like stuff like that's completely invaluable. And then
and the secondary like secondary sales.
Brandon Zemp 29:12
Oh yeah, exactly your sales are ridiculous two
Unknown Speaker 29:15
is the total game changer. You know, there's a guy you know, like even the bigwigs don't cash in once, they might make 20 k off of a painting and they're happy. But when I think else for five mil in 20 years, they don't get any of that right. UD So do you know Josie?
Brandon Zemp 29:36
Yeah, yeah, so I have one of her NF T's and then it's cool because like if I decided to like sell her NFT there's a fee that goes directly to her and then if someone bought it from me and they decided they want to sell it, they would also have to pay a fee to her as well. It's it's cool how you can do that with the blockchain because and then as an artist, you're not like it's Not like a one thing, like a one time deal, and then you're not getting screwed over and then again, like the whole history behind it, too. So it's like IN in general, I like NFTS. I think NF T's are an awesome solution.
Unknown Speaker 30:13
Yeah, I do too. And I still think we're really early in the NFC world because even since I've been in it, it went from ERC. 22 ERC 21 or ERC 7720 ones? Yeah. The seventh 21
Brandon Zemp 30:27
blown up in the last year, though.
Unknown Speaker 30:30
Yeah. Yeah. But I, but even there still needs to be upgrades to those like this is still not finalized. You know, like all the, the image data isn't directly on the token, right? There's there's still things can improve, like, by all means, like, there's nothing wrong with a 721. Right. But as technology improves, we're going to be able to store more data on on the tokens themselves. I think those are just exciting things. I don't know how Do it, but when someone does it, I'll be so happy to use it.
Brandon Zemp 31:04
Yeah, I mean, it. There's so many issues though with like a theorem right now, like if I want to buy an NFT and if it's like an expensive FTI my gas fees might be higher depending on if opens to us like really busy that day, which kind of sucks because I don't want to shell out a decent amount of money for an NFC that I think has future value and then have to pay this giant fee for it to on the side on top of the open sci fi and then the creator fee and then so there's some some downfalls to that a little bit like a theorem needs to like Hurry up and get to three empty point oh, or there needs to be another or another blockchain that more quickly solves that issue or at least gives you an option. Because like gas fees have definitely been an issue lately.
Unknown Speaker 31:50
Yeah, I totally agree. And and that's the thing are these other blockchains? Who knows? I mean, right now, we're banking on it. There. But the you know, EOS has, I think, somewhat of a thriving art market. There's there's other chains that are trying to solve these same issues and time will tell, but at the same time, you know, people like, like us who are creating, it's just, I don't have, I hate to say not time I see to create, and I'm, I'm along for the wave just like everyone else. So
Brandon Zemp 32:24
yeah, Time Time will definitely tell. I mean, the problem is, most people don't aren't aware of what you can do on these other blockchains. And if you're using a strong current Cortana in the future, or whatever it may be, and you're putting your art up there, or, or through a through a dap, you're putting up your art, your audience might be significantly smaller than a theorem because people know about a theorem and theorem is the cool kid on the block. Everyone wants to build on a theory em, interact on a theory and hold a CRM. It's just easier and The audience is way, way bigger. So, which kind of sucks? Because it seems got so many issues to kind of figure out. So I'm not it's it's so it's it's a pickle for sure.
Unknown Speaker 33:11
Yeah. I mean, that's why we're here. We're early adopters. And part of that is, is taking chances and you know, things will shake out. I don't think I don't think their games going anywhere. I think, you know, their focus might have to shift it's based on scaling but I, in terms of anything besides Bitcoin I feel most comfortable with with a theory of right now.
Brandon Zemp 33:36
Yeah, I mean, I hold a lot of the theorem too. And I, the project's been around for so long, so I'm, it's not something I really worry about. I just wish that when they build a blockchain that's supposed to come to consensus, it'd be nice if they actually came to consensus on some decisions, and to actually make the platform work better, but I mean, It's just going to take time. I mean, that's that's the headache of being an early adopter, you see the opportunity, you get an early and then you you have to deal with all the bugs and the hiccups and whatnot.
Unknown Speaker 34:11
And but it's fascinating. There's so many different projects, like another one platform. I don't know if they're, I think I've been using their AI, their game software.
Brandon Zemp 34:24
Have you seen any of their stuff? A little bit? I'm not completely familiar with it, though.
Unknown Speaker 34:28
So like, you know, games where you can feed images in and they kind of process and yeah, find similarities and replicate. Yeah. Did you have you seen the Kandinsky projects I'm doing?
Brandon Zemp 34:43
I'm not sure maybe
Unknown Speaker 34:46
one of my favorite artists is Kandinsky. And I started looking at platform and I've wanted to do a Kandinsky project for years and years. But like not really sure why I needed a Reason and kind of like a process and a method. So I started feeding in Kandinsky artworks into the, into the platform. And I was getting these super grungy like distressed renditions of his of his work that were just beautiful to me. And I I made them into my own 3d style. So I animated and 3d, these Kandinsky paintings, I just love the way they're coming out. It's just a whole new another risk experiment that that I love and I threw up a little boxes gallery for it, where that's been
Brandon Zemp 35:41
where these at work and we're going to take a look at them.
The Gandinsky, one is off to send it to you. I can look it up right now if you want.
Brandon Zemp 35:52
Yeah, just send it to me. I'll take a look at it. Like and follow along with what you're saying.
Unknown Speaker 35:57
Oh, yeah. Okay. So The main the main thing that's been so much fun about it is that project is almost directly speaking to the portraits I'm doing so I started doing the 3d orbiting and my portraits. So, took that same type of method and started doing the Ganden skis and the same method. That's been super fun to actually be able to use one of my favorite artists who, you know, the guy was alive 100 years ago, and never there's no computers. And it's just like, I'm giving him a little bit of like, artists love and like re mixing his work. And feeling like he's there with me like every decision I make is based on if the Sally was with me in the studio. You know, I take I'm very like passionate with art. So whenever I would do anything that has Kandinsky, his name on it, I have to like instinctual the fact check if he would be cool. with it.
Brandon Zemp 37:00
I'm in on my phone and cryptovoxels right now. Looking at it.
Brandon Zemp 37:07
It's actually gotten a lot better. Like there's a whole like, like, like trackpad or whatever, like you'd have like on an Xbox and then it's a lot easier crowns. So yeah, I love crypto boxes. I do love being able to do this on my phone.
Unknown Speaker 37:24
Yeah, so and that gallery I put the original work. And then I put what I made next to it, so there's some reference of what it was and what it became.
Brandon Zemp 37:32
Gotcha. Oh, so are these NFT is up to
Unknown Speaker 37:36
Yeah, yeah, so there's video NF tease I put those on on open see. And then the the still ones are on super rare.
Brandon Zemp 37:44
Very cool. Also like your signature by the way. It's it's like you're trying to go for something cool. And then you can just said fuck it and then and then I don't know. It's interesting. I can't read isn't like Saikal the kind of does but it's
Unknown Speaker 37:58
really funny. So let's story behind that was i was i was some friends and we went to Hooters and a Hooters you'd like write your name on a napkin, or at least had us do. And I just literally got a sharpie and I just drew it out. And I just liked it. And honestly, I kept that napkin for about 10 years. And then I scanned it. And I never tried to like, draw that thing again. That's just like what it is right?
Brandon Zemp 38:29
Like so yeah, description to Who the fuck is Coldie? I'm still trying to figure that out. An award winning mixed media artist. I thought it said mixed martial artists for a second.
That'd be interesting. No, it's cool. I
like this build them every once a while. see one of them. I pop inside the art is just interesting, especially the like when you create like a gift for it and it's like animated art. And then you put that up as an NFC like, that's a Yeah, cool I like how that you can take art nowadays and then add life to it and a lot of ways make it animate almost make the art like convey a message to you talk back to you a little bit. It's an interesting aspect of the whole art blockchain combination and stuff that's kind of come out of it.
Unknown Speaker 39:18
Yeah. And before I was working in this type of digital art, a lot of my, my posters and prints they're called lenticular. So what that means is, it's a flat sheet, but there's a lens built on top so the image actually pops off of the lens in 3d. So, when I'm doing when I'm creating, I'm inherently working with depth. But when you go digital, things are flat, right? We don't have the built in, like depth perception. So forced me to try to figure out ways to get in motion but still reference the original artwork, right? I'm just like I'm just messing around and you know there's just no rules
Brandon Zemp 40:06
now that there's there's no rules in the wild west on uncharted waters in terms of blockchain and especially blockchain art so you see a lot of interesting stuff especially on open see oh yeah
Unknown Speaker 40:20
yeah then that I put these on open see as a test because you know I've been using superhero pretty much exclusively and just to understand like what you were saying about the artist commission like Josie is doing I just like to test different platforms and feel them out even though I'm super happy with super rare the community the buyers it's, it's great. I felt like I was kind of just living in a vacuum right? So putting those on the open see, you know, different people are looking around open see and as an artist I just want to know what else is out there.
Brandon Zemp 41:00
Yeah. So what's it called a super goddammit. super rare is very interesting compared to like, open see, we're like it's so open where anyone can post whatever and create content are and put it up as an NFC super is definitely a bit more exclusive. I remember talking definitely a while back on the podcast, actually with Jonathan about it, Jonathan Perkins, and kind of talking about the art industry and everything and crypto and how it was even more early back in the spring when we were having this conversation. But super rare has definitely gotten to the point where they've had so many submissions, and so many people want to be on that platform that they've gotten a little bit exclusive in some ways, which is kind of interesting. How that audiences has moved that to that platform. And then when you compare it to something like open see which is just as popular, but it's just like, come on. was completely wide open. Like anyone can open up an NFC store and open see anyone can upload an image or gift or whatever to open see and put it up as an NFC and in a minute,
Unknown Speaker 42:11
it's pretty quick. Do you feel that there's, is it hard for you to find things that are meaningful for you and open CI,
Brandon Zemp 42:19
it's pens, like, I feel like there's a lot of just crap. I hope and see, but I mean, that's, I mean, people are just throwing it out there. So I mean, I can't blame them. But at the same time also, every once in while you run some really cool stuff. There's a lot of like art that gets posted like on additional for example, and then additional, some of that art gets moved up to open See, and you get some like really cool like some abstract art pieces. And all I grab one of those every once in a while, but for me it's more like when I know a project or I know the neighborhood. crypto boxes is gonna be a big deal. Or if I know that Josie, Josie is a big deal, like if she's going to put something out that's going to be unique compared to what she usually does. That's something I'm going to buy for sure. I'm not going out and buying a wand or a cheese wizard character. Like I really don't care too much about that. I mean, if you want to, like play the game and like enjoy it, yeah, totally. But if you're investing in it, you're looking for value. I mean, I think gotta look at the value of the project or the value of the individual that's putting out that NFC. And just using Josie as an example, as we talk so much, and she's also very popular and FTS, usually fly off open see pretty quickly. So like when she puts something out that's a bit more unique and has a bit more of a story. I'll definitely try and buy something like that bored with crypto boxes. For example, when Ben decides to release a neighborhood if you release is a kiddies neighborhood. I don't care too much the bike parcel there. But if he releases something like Frankfurt, or Midtown that's got something unique to it, like higher build limits or bigger parcels, or, or whatever it may be, yeah, I'll probably jump in and grab something like that. For me, it's like where it where's the value at? Because for so early in the space, it's not like every single FT is valuable. It there's a lot of bullshit. But I mean, if you look beyond the vast amount of empty and a teaser out there, and you can figure out like, who who's like, active in the space who's got a little bit of popularity, who's creating real value, or providing value that that's the stuff I like to invest in, at least when it comes to NF tease?
Unknown Speaker 44:42
Yeah, it'll be interesting. You're talking about the ones and what I'm really looking at as as like the wearable Yeah. for the user. Interesting. I think that
Brandon Zemp 44:53
was that those are also interesting.
Unknown Speaker 44:56
Yeah, so it'll be interesting how that whole space evolves because SI, right now, you know, seems kind of silly for me to spend five bucks on a virtual shirt. But I guarantee you when there's 100,000 people walking around, they're all going to want to stand out. Right? So there's, there's gonna, I think that's going to be a huge market. So there's a lot of
Brandon Zemp 45:18
Yeah, I know for crypto voxel actually when when Ben released the the the names, the user names on opensea you could buy and invest in the username you'd want to use in world. So if I wanted to be Cody, and then I could just register, I can just register Cody and then I could sell it on open see if I wanted to me I can sell to work and keep it I could be cold and confuse a lot of people that I know as soon as that came out and a lot of us in community are very, very tight knit and know when stuffs coming out before most people a lot of us kind of jumped on it really quickly and We had to get it pulled down from the auctions and everything because we were grabbing a lot of names, just to kind of like hold them hostage and whatnot. And yeah. Mo and why was that being done? Because I mean, there's value to that, like if crypto boxes becomes popular, Ilan musk name is is a is a commodity. Like if that up if you have hundreds of thousands of people a month, let's say visiting crypto boxes like in world walking around potentially more than that. I mean, there's no limit to how many people how many times you can be walking around in that environment, what you wear, what you you bring with you into crypto boxes, or whether it's just your username, all that stuff becomes very unique and there's like an identifier in that environment. So at least with like the names and everything that definitely had instant value, but it also was an issue right away because it was so early that people could just cord these these names is NFTS. It's another issue with like the whole spaceship because there's not like a whole lot of awareness of what's going on in the NFC world, I mean relatively compared to the general population. So, if crypto foxholes releases something like that, I mean, a lot of us can buy a whole bunch of them and just sit on them. So it's, um, it's it's difficult. It's it's one of those things where you want to push a project or you want to try new things, but at the same time, you're trying to be fair, because there's not enough people that are aware of that and you don't want to have legal issues in the future and deal with stuff that's just negative for space in general, but, and that's kind of my take on it.
Unknown Speaker 47:48
Yeah, it's, I think, I mean, I'm definitely the same type of guys like want to be fair, but I've just noticed that most people in the space are you know, it's a Investments like you're saying all these lands and everything else and there's just going to be people who go full board and some are going to do really great off of those pics and, and some will fizzle out just kind of like part of your overall portfolio I suppose. It's definitely interesting. We
Brandon Zemp 48:19
were having a conversation about the legality behind everything. Like what happens when you grab certain names is like a username or the ether addresses, for example, are those considered are those like under I can, like, do this Amazon have a claim to Amazon ether, like is that the same? Like there's some issues behind that. I know a lot of us on some very interesting like ether names and they're a hot commodity because I mean, it's a lot easier than using your entire Ethereum address to send someone money or to have some pay you or just to put it out there, it's a lot easier for me to Put my name ether out there, right? Or whatever I want it to be called the ether. Yeah. But I mean, there's also that like, Is that going to be a legal issue? Like, is Amazon going to be pissed that someone has Amazon ether simply because they couldn't get in? Like, are we going to have legal issues, they're going to be trademark lawsuits. We've had some interesting conversations around that because I mean, it's not like a it's not a domain, but the same time it's a similar name. And then you have to assess whether it's being used for to be sold like as an investment or if it's actually being used in the course of business or life or whatever. I don't know, it's an interesting conversation to like, the whole legality aspect behind crypto just in general.
Unknown Speaker 49:47
Yeah, and I mean, the DNS names I see them as more valuable than a.com because it's a payment channel or you know, it's an alias. It's also a URL. It's got a whole bunch of different uses.
Brandon Zemp 50:00
Yeah, it's cool that you can use a daddy third to resolve like a website. I've been like really trying to get that down it's a little difficult you have to use like meta mask and or you have to go through I PFS. It's a little bit of a process but it'll get better in the future. But it's cool because it's like an all all in one like thing that you need to remember it like simplifies everything. So like I like for my name, I could have someone pay me anytime by sending it to my name dot ether. And then it also takes them to my personal website and or to my business or or podcast or whatever. So that that that aspect definitely has some value to it. Is there anything that you're doing specifically, any anything in the crypto art world or in crypto foxholes, or anything outside of that, that you want the world to be aware of?
Unknown Speaker 50:52
Kind of what we're talking about. I just keep experimenting and I would say the portraits and the And again didn't scare my two most current like active projects and I would just stay if people want to find out about that they can go to my website Cody 3d com or look for me I'm super rare. And you know even follow me on Twitter, I'm, I'm most active on Twitter and that's how I find out about everything. So I'd love to connect with people, other artists, even if they you know want to learn about crypto or you know, shoot me a message I'd love to spread the spread the good word. But uh, yeah, I'm just trying to explore and experiment and have fun and and meet new people like you and do cool shit.
Brandon Zemp 51:44
Yep, I like doing cool shit too. Dude, really appreciate you coming on everything. And having a conversation talking about crypto boxes crypto or whatnot. Industry what you're doing. Yeah, definitely appreciate you taking the time to do it.
Yeah, thanks for having me. Want to do it again? Absolutely.
Brandon Zemp 52:01
I'll have you on again the future for sure.
I'll see you. I'll see you on the boxes. I'll see on the boxes and I'll see you on Twitter sphere.
Yeah, for sure. I take it easy.
Brandon Zemp 52:13
About your host: Brandon Zemp
I'm a neuroscience graduate, division III athlete, author of "The Satoshi Sequence", cryptocurrency miner, investor and business owner.