In this episode, the CyberCodeTwins join me as guests to discuss Blockchain and the broader tech industry.
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Brandon Zemp 0:09
Okay, cool. So let's hear a little bit about your guys's like backstory. How did you guys get into tech and crypto and get to the point where you guys are at now?
Yeah. So like I said, my name is America.
And we're five minutes apart if people are wondering.
And actually it was my sister who introduced me to technology.
Who was it that those old Professor Chester lay when I took robotics and she told me as I was struggling to learn robotics, or coding, she told me to go to meetup and I told my sister about meetup, but she took the wrong way. Yeah. Again, like I'm not, I wasn't as familiar with technology back then. So I thought it was a dating website. So she want to go double dating and I'm just like, this little weird
So I went with her to this meetup that, that I thought it was a workshop. But it wasn't a workshop. It was a hackathon. And we liked it pretty much. We stayed for 24 hours. Of course her mom
was worried. So she called us on Skippy, which is like Spanglish or Skype. Yeah. She's just wondering where we're at. And I'm letting her know that we're coding. And she thought we were clubbing because the DJ, at that hackathon was keeping us up. So she thought, loving, not coding. And, you know, we were showing her around and she sees like, lots of guys, pizza and computers. She thinks we're at the computer cafe. And we're just saying, no, it's a tech competition. We're learning how to make an app and is like, do you know how to make one we're learning how because again, we were such newbies. We didn't know we had Xcode in our mac book. So really learning as we go. And we were able to like create an app where you
Because we we met a somebody who worked at Disney before and he was interviewing people that they didn't know how to draw like correctly like they know how to draw circles and all these other shapes so we we made a an app that just help people learn how to draw so they can get hired at Disney so I it was just really interesting
it was probably creative studios like eight but yeah created space. Yeah creative space. Yeah. But um, yeah, we kept we we kept going to different hackathons it ever since. Even though we're completely new to these emerging technology, like we didn't have a clue, but we were there. We had access to resources, mentors, and ideas were wild. So we went at it. Yeah. Again, like we used to spend every weekend playing soccer. So no w it's, you know, changed up to like, oh, we're going to tech competition is still sports. Yeah.
Brandon Zemp 2:57
Yeah, it definitely is. eSports eSports is getting Really big actually.
I'm really happy about that because video games is like they make more money than movies. So it's really good to actually see actors also portraying characters kind of like excited about Keanu Reeves.
Yeah, that looks super cool. Yeah.
Brandon Zemp 3:20
I think I was looking at something the other day, where fortnite like the top prize was like $3 million or something and it was ahead of like Wimbledon and some of these races like,
World Cup like it's not just Canada, Canada, Mexico. It's just it's an actual recovery of people from Argentina. It was just beautiful. I think it was an estate to have a crypto kids workshop during the same weekend as the fortnight overnight World Cup. It was really hard for the kids to concentrate but at least they got things done but you know, they were like yelling like every every hour like who was making it
Brandon Zemp 4:03
Yeah, they're getting so big like I didn't even I didn't really grow up and like see that kind of stuff until like, like five, six years ago. Most of my life has been based around sports like heavily around sports and everything. So I can't really picture
the gaming industry like surpassing it in terms of revenue and audience and share of like the whole entertainment pie and everything. But I mean, it's really starting to pick up and it's kind of turns your head a little bit. You're like, Wow, I've been my entire life. I've been told like not to play video games and go outside. What if I started playing video games? Maybe I would have been competitive. Who knows? There's gonna be a lot of kids out there that like that.
What's really interesting is, you know, like, you know, blockchains, like known for its more gambling aspects, for example, but it's really interesting that Las Vegas is building eSports arenas.
There, that's what they're concentrating on. Because they're like, well, these Millennials are not as gambling as much, but
they love eSports. So they're building arenas just for that.
Brandon Zemp 5:03
Yeah. Well, I mean, they gotta go wherever the market is, right? Mm hmm. I've actually never been to a hackathon. So is it usually like always as lively as you say it is? Or is it? Are they kind of like differ
depending on the organizers, so I love the ones that are like, well, at&t doesn't do them anymore. But the way they kind of incentivize developers to come because they have like, really cool Swag, swag, and musician you're going to play at the end. It was Billy Idol. Yeah, man, I always wanted to see him. Um, it was another one. Uh, another one was like the TechCrunch. hackathon to me was just extra resources with the news, new hardware. Yeah, I was like, really into IoT back then. So to me, it was just meeting other developers that were into it. I think, what are they
worried? What Oh, yeah. was called Yeah,
yeah. Wait, wait up. So Courtney, so so at that TechCrunch? One, we made a coordinate system. So basically, how that work was, we had a steering wheel. You just put it around the steering wheel for that? And if and if you Yeah, and we were supposed to like hack into this Ford car. And it was just connected to this Ford machine. And their developer. They're like trying to figure out like, how can you work with our app, and we stayed up all night. It worked at three o'clock, you know, things magic, our something works or doesn't work. And those are called Smart steering wheel clever. Yes. And basically was what the steering wheel cover did was if you were stressed, and you were like, grabbing onto the steering wheel really tight, the the Courtney and assistant in the car would calm you down, or play games with your shirt. So it's kind of like help manage road rage. They liked it a lot. That was the first time I pitched up. Like, we didn't really have to make a smart guy. We just had to make a Smart Cover. Yeah, the car smart. Yeah, it can make your car smart. You know, it's just a way to this
Brandon Zemp 7:12
is like just an overlay. Or,
yeah, it was just an overlay. Somebody from Panasonic, I just gave him all the I just gave him all the all the how to make it everything because he was hard to sourcing will open source a lot of things now on GitHub, because I wasn't a big fan of GitHub back then. So I just gave him all the materials and let him go at it. Because he's he had a lot of experience getting things to market, we just start and then let someone
Brandon Zemp 7:39
take over. That's interesting. I think everyone I know uses GitHub, do you guys use something else? Or do you guys use it as well?
It's like, to me, it was just like I was I was concerned on the data of developers how people were using it as a resume for, you know, developer now. And so I was like, trying all their alternatives. To make sure that, you know, I was it to me, competition is good. So to me, I was more interested in, in the other resources. And second, like, it's really weird sharing GitHub links, and your face shows up. Every GitHub, I think I just want to show like the project logo, you know, to me, it's doesn't seem
professional enough. I know a lot of people use GitHub, but that's my only
pet peeve. And I'm just like, you have to submit a photo of yourself.
No, you don't have to submit as photo yourself. It's like, you get the
default, or like it shows your profile picture. And you don't get
Brandon Zemp 8:40
Yeah, she doesn't miss anything.
No, oh, yeah.
Yeah, allows you but it to me, it was just I just wanted to share the project logo, you know, keep branding consistent. So I used other alternatives to
Brandon Zemp 8:53
gotcha. Now a lot of this stuff. I feel like a new because it really goes over my head. But I know these hackathons really interesting. We used to have them at one of my colleges at Harvey Mudd. Back in the day, was it?
Was it part of Major League hacking?
Brandon Zemp 9:10
I'm honestly not sure. I wish I knew the answer. But I mean, it was a big deal. Like they had him like, every couple months or so. I know you guys kind of gave an example. But what do you guys do at a hackathon? Exactly. Is it like, based around like, something specific that you guys like, try to like, hack into or is it like, how does it work? Well, so
different hackathons, you know, people were what people normally think of is like the like the the flag, hackathons, which is kind of like you're supposed to like, be crashing into someone's servers and stuff. That's not the hackathons we typically focus on we focus more on like this, you really just call them like maker maker hacks or something, you're trying to make something within four hours, and hope it works and presented to judges at the
end. And see,
and the other time is just challenges. They have this these hackathons are what kind of themes they have. So it's good, because some of the prizes they have it's like certain themes, or certain boundaries, they just want completed. Like it's like, oh, let me find a bug in our API will give you 500 bucks Amazon. Ah, gotcha. Okay.
Brandon Zemp 10:18
Yeah. I know you guys have competed a lot. Where if you guys competed
We have had to travel far from LA to go to these hackathons. because there wasn't there wasn't many in LA. Yeah, there wasn't many in LA. And you know, usually we were riding our motorcycle back then to like, meet to come to many of the hackathons in Santa Monica, but then in Vegas are like, okay, we're taking like, the bolt bus and the bus. Yeah.
Brandon Zemp 10:53
Why don't there's many No way.
That's what it was back then. Oh, okay.
Yeah, but now, Jane.
Now it's like, not see many developers? Yeah. Now it's like New York in Toronto.
Brandon Zemp 11:08
Did you guys have like a favorite hackathon that you guys did?
Oh, my favorite one was crypto cigs. That was amazing. I was like,
blockchain developers, we're going to be there.
We flew out there from Puerto Rico. We're just like, we're not gonna miss this.
Brandon Zemp 11:25
Now that sounds fun. Would you guys do there?
What we do there? Oh, well, I was like, really interested in talking to many of the ladies, we also got a chance. I think it's just a lady. She's like currently organizing the futures.
Brandon Zemp 11:39
Yeah, since we're kinda on the topic of crypto, what do you guys thoughts on Bitcoin? I know, it's had a pretty good morning this morning, the start the week. And I mean, there's a lot of obviously crazy stuff going on that's had a good start to the year. What do you guys thoughts on it?
For some that haven't experienced financial stability in a decade. So to see like this type of ticket, I mean, want to see money like that to do so after 10 years, and then compare it to their country's currency, it's kind of like, this is the store value that they should be having a closer look to. And then like other people, now they're looking at, you know, a Bitcoin only because of what Facebook's doing with the Libra. And what's interesting about Libra is that Libra connections to the Bank of England, is that what's so special about that is that normally anybody that wants to do whole, you know, put their storage into like the Bank of England, the only one who could do that was the commercial banks. So for Libra to do have that access to commercial that was only limited to commercial banks is is more accessibility. But I don't know if you've seen that movie called The Great hack, the great hack. Have you seen it yet?
Brandon Zemp 12:58
I haven't. What's about
So basically, it's like, focus on the data points on basically how Facebook had all this data, that Cambridge analytical was able to use and get at least 5000 data points on every American that could vote. And it focused on person. Her name was Brittany Kaiser, who later was interviewed by like Mueller, and by the people that were also trying to hold cabbage and local accountable in, you know, because there was an American who wanted to get his data from Cambridge Analytica, and he fought a year to get that data back. So for some people, you know, they look at the average case. And they're like, Well, can we truly trust them with money if we can interesting with our data. And but for some other for some other people, like, you know, you have 2.3 billion people on that platform, and they have the chance to bring financial stability, again, like this is not like, this is more of a stable coin, but we're scared the United States was that it was not pegged to the US dollar, it was pegged to other shot. So other assets, other assets. So in a way, it's like, destroying $1 not it was
a lesson the
influence, I'm going to say, listen, the influence of the dollar. So to me, it was just you have all these partners like Uber visa, and you have like partners like the Bank of England, that only like, again, like limited their access to commercial banks coming on board. To me, it's like, it's like the next revolution of money and and for some people who might understand Bitcoin. Now, their interest stayed in Bitcoin because of what Libra is. Yeah, I
Brandon Zemp 15:03
know, Libra is really interesting. Like, I found it really fascinating when they were in Congress in those two congressional hearings, what like a week ago, two weeks ago, and I thought that they most of the congressmen women would be kind of clueless when it came to like blockchain and Bitcoin. Still, just because it's so early, and the last time it was brought up, it didn't really seem to know much about it. But they asked a lot of interesting questions that made it sound like they were pretty educated on it. Like they're asking why Libra wasn't built on top of a theorem. They're asking why Libra would be a better alternative to something like Bitcoin, or why Bitcoin why it differs from Bitcoin and why we don't just use something that's decentralized. They asked like a lot of really interesting questions that I thought they weren't very educated on. So it, it's interesting, I'm trying to figure out if the government is just kind of like out against tech companies right now like Facebook, because of all the like, the whole cameras analytical thing, or because of stealing and profiting off of personal information from individuals. Or if they like crypto now, or if they're just trying to fight back. Like, I'm just trying to figure out like that whole egg scenario, it's been really interesting to kind of watch,
I just feel like coin Center has done a good job on helping educate the people in Washington about what's going on in the space.
Brandon Zemp 16:30
Yeah, definitely. I mean, there's been a lot better education around crypto that's come out for sure.
I'm just hoping that the regulation for innovative and creative
increases to improve because
I would say like, just the regulation alone has, you know, the way I looked at it is like America is like three to five years behind other countries and the regulation of, of blockchain and using this technologies. Because I had to leave that states for a couple years back, I think 2016 I left to Eastern Europe to have a chance to explore with these technologies because I was sweating bullets, I couldn't sleep. Because I was so worried of what America of basically what the American regulators would think of this technology. So I was basically like, learning how to use many different tools on helping many different people with their projects in Eastern Europe, from Denmark to Belarus. And yeah, this isn't 2016 and what's funny was, was I think in like, was it was a 2015 or one was that hackathon in Vegas? Money. 2020 would you money
money. 2020 that's so basically the hackathon money 2020 it was a visa hackathon. And it was a FinTech hackathon. And you know what? I met the guy who created open See there.
Brandon Zemp 17:57
Oh, Devin Finzer. And
yeah, yeah, we have together at at that hackathon.
Brandon Zemp 18:03
Nice. Yeah, he's awesome. Yeah, and
I'm so grateful for him because I was particularly focused on the on the prize for to win a VR headset because me and my sister had to complete a project that we were to submit to the White House back then was Obama administration. And we didn't have a VR headset, so it would have been hard to finish the project. It's finished the project. But yes, at the hackathon, we created the elf on the spot, basically, what that did, was using the data from Facebook, was it from Facebook social graph, hey, and the synchrony financial API, which is basically like a whitelist of credit cards, but like any can use that and and I didn't know much Python back then. So Devin did a lot of that cuz he's like Python flies is how you run it and he was very, it'll be helpful and I remember like, me and my buddy. Also explaining him about blockchain and stuff is think about NF tease and I'm so happy he's in space, too. I remember a lot of the skeptic isms. Sorry, skip.
And dude, we met metallic back there. He was wearing a shirt. I did not believe he was the founder of a theorem because everybody was saying their founder of Assyria magnet. And he was wearing an actual theorem shirt. If you go to my Facebook page, America, or USC, me with my picture with metallic, that's the same one we took with him at that hackathon. So that was in 2016. Again, I didn't like believe him. But yeah, I felt so dumb. It was so new but yeah, it was really interesting. I was so happy that he's working on open stina
Brandon Zemp 19:48
Yeah, he's a great guy. I had him on the podcast a few weeks ago, we talked a ton about what open seas doing and kinda like the future that he sees open see paving and like what direction he season going and like all the all the little stuff that they're working on, he's fantastic. Really enjoyed that conversation with them. And they're doing a lot of great stuff, especially for like NF T's and whatnot and collectibles and digital art. Like that's that's blowing up the crazy
they should focus more where
the live streaming platforms or at you know, like build a twitch extension with open C or with mixer on there just growing at an abnormal rate.
there's only like, I think there's only like 300 extensions, think of it as like the App Store. It's like so early and people don't even know like exists yet.
Brandon Zemp 20:36
So it's interesting. How would an open c extension work for something like twitch
for something like twitch so you can like you can have like a real time marketplace on the twitch live stream that is towards that creator? Do you have a hackathon prize Oh interesting. What do you
hackathon days ago open a few days ago and it's lasting till I guess Oh, we are planning go to twitch con but I think they're also having twitch DEF CON the week after. But I don't know if it's still in San Diego. But yeah, that's that's that's what I would.
Brandon Zemp 21:09
Yeah, you guys do? Yeah, you guys should do that in your one of your next hackathons create a little great a way for you to like display you're open see like NF T's and stuff through twitch or like put the marketplace on there your profile like that'd be really cool. That would get me on Twitch a lot more like it's just it's not like
yeah, definitely like it has to stop being these complete silos just put them where the kids are at. I'm sorry. Like, why the kids watching gaming? They're like what is that? You know? So just just put it where like, they're watching ninja or Well, now he's on mixer but yeah, yeah, he's nowhere but I like the competition now. It's gonna get better Yeah, cuz it was just weird because before content creators 90 days to receive monetary payments, payments, and now it's like 30 days. But yeah, there had to be pressure coming summer not fast.
Brandon Zemp 22:06
No, it's not fast enough. It takes forever. Yeah, major crypto you should be able to get your payouts daily if if you're honestly earning that much.
TWITCH headquarters. So we had we had we sat down with twitch with their developers, and they're just like, we told our legal department saying no, yes, no. And I'm like, dude, you guys accepted this extension that does crypto and you're telling me We can't like what are you guys talking about? Oh, they're part of the Ubisoft accelerator. I like them a lot. I really do. I just I just think there's different layers. Yeah, I think what a lot more Yeah, I think that I think the twitch extension is called an address so I really like the UI of their extension so it's very interesting the evolution over how blockchains yo UI looks like it doesn't have to be from an app it can actually be an extension to live streaming platform.
Brandon Zemp 23:06
Yeah, I think once some of these gaps really kick off you might see more of him on Twitch like I plan on at least streaming some of them so they just look like a lot of fun like have you guys checked out like cheese wizards and
forget the mixer geez wizards
first theorem Kinney is a flat earth and
believe in show and likes.
Mariah Carey. So yeah, it has good taste and then one is flat earth or Hey, I get a flat earth kitty. You know, like,
Brandon Zemp 23:36
Yeah, that's our first case.
Brandon Zemp 23:42
I've actually never owned a crypto kitty. I think I own like, a ton of other things. But I've never owned a crypto kitty like I totally like just skipped that whole part of it. Totally my mistake, but like, I don't know I didn't see the value in like a crypto kitty until like collectibles really started like shaping up. It's just it's really weird mark
for for some of my friends like Dodger fans, Dodger fans, I told him please go to the Dodger game and then collect on bobbleheads Yeah, collect whoever throws that watching card on the ground. You pick it up, you better pick it up. And yeah, they got a couple dozen and they were able to sell it like at a really great rate after but they had no logic when they had no idea how to use blockchain. So it was just like going little step by step on how how do you sell this? And they like it. They're like, Oh, this is pretty, pretty cool. You know, normally like, you go online and put it on eBay. And I just skipped all that process, you know? Yeah, like to prove that it's actually is
Brandon Zemp 24:44
it was really cool. Yes. checked out. The central and or crypto boxes
decentralized. And I was like interested in high fidelity beforehand, but I haven't heard much for them. I don't know if they shut down or they lose their employees. But I was very Are you interested in like building VR worlds? Have you used VR
Brandon Zemp 25:04
before? I actually have not because I know everyone yells at me and tells me that I need to get VR chat because I'm always missing out. Because the community that I engage with a lot in some of these like, meta versus like on discord and everything's the whole communities get together always telling me to get VR chat, but my PC is just not set up for that. I have some mining rigs that could that could do it. But like they're not set up to do that. And then I don't have a quest yet. I still need to buy a quest, but I can't buy one anymore. So I'm kind of like locked out of
the VR headset that we want at that biggest hackathon with Devon. So like,
I'm using an older one. Um, I don't I don't have an Oculus quest. Which one you
want to whitelist? Are we use the HTC Vive. Okay. Yeah, I
Brandon Zemp 25:56
heard that one's pretty good, too. I have the girl.
So I think there is another list. There is a way to make another list, but it's like $300
for some company from China, I can't
Brandon Zemp 26:09
Yeah, I'm just gonna keep crossing my fingers. And hopefully I get a question. Those things are heard are amazing.
They're definitely I don't know how they made it possible to make it that cheap. I am. Pretty sure they're selling it at a loss. But I'm so impressed with with the experience. I've tried it before where if you get out of your zone, the cameras on the headset turns on to let you see the surroundings. Other houses don't don't just like what they have in the first place. Yeah, so you wouldn't like accidentally, you know, there's run into the wall or something you'll see like the camera turn on their driveway when you're trying to treat. It's great. I love it. Yeah, I lock you,
Brandon Zemp 26:53
which is kind of owned by Facebook. So I mean, one of the things that could be trying to do is push people into VR so that they can kind of capitalize on you being in there. Because once they kind of like monopolize that environment, or at least around
I mean, there's a reason why still stick to the HTC Vive is
the data data. I'm just like, I don't know if I want to give the next 10 years like
Brandon Zemp 27:16
Yeah, I mean, I use all space all the time. And it's really good and everything. But I mean, Facebook basically controls it, and they're going to make ton of money off of it. So there's, there's like a deficiency of like places you can go outside of like Facebook's network. But that's what I kind of like about these metaverse is like, I know the essential lands opening up to that.
forgot to mention, what's the name of it. It's called an Acer mixer. Right? So, so ER VR headset by, I think was by Microsoft, and they sent us one. It was like $300 but the cool thing about that is that there's this open source program
once upon again, revive, grieve
revive, which means that you can also play Oculus and HTC Vive games on that same headsets, you're not listening. That's the way to go. Yeah, so that Yeah, we did that. And you know, that's the one by by that's the Microsoft headset. So, so that's the one we we normally have, that's the one that we normally have the kids play with. Just to have them understand like, you know, you don't you're not locked to one then but what's interesting about open source because some of these some of these things are Yeah, what they're like is this Is this legit? Is this not gonna like break down your headset? I'm just uh, yeah, it's it worked on ours.
Brandon Zemp 28:33
Yeah, I'm worried about some overheating issues, though. Like my Oculus go gets like really hot. Like really, really hot. Yeah, I haven't tried that. It works really well. But I mean, like, I've had some issues charging it.
I remember when I was using like the Samsung phones just like the clip them and leave them in the VR. And then it just dies after 20 minutes, but your phone is so
Brandon Zemp 28:54
yeah, I wouldn't put that much pressure on my phone yet. I'm sure it will get better and better. But don't know, I don't want to mess up my phone. That's kind of like my life extension right now.
Okay, so people are going to have a blockchain phone, a VR phone and then their personal phone like how many phone guys?
Brandon Zemp 29:11
Are we going to have all those phones? Are we going to put them all in one?
I want my modular phone mods makes more sense.
Brandon Zemp 29:18
Okay, how would you do a modular phone?
So you ever heard of the Aurora project from Google? So that's the module phones that they're focusing on. But it's still like, it's like, it's you know, if you wanted to switch out cameras,
Brandon Zemp 29:31
and you just clip it in that the phone was it with Google or Microsoft where you could like, it was like super blocky. I remember seeing it somewhere where you could like, take pieces off off that phone, but other pieces on like attachments, almost were like the camera, and like the screen and like other stuff and was like, very modular? Is that the one or is there a different one?
Yeah, it was like, blocky. Um, but like Google ended the project. But to me, it was to me, it was really important because to me, mods would probably make like phones last longer. You don't have to, like replace the entire phone.
Brandon Zemp 30:08
Yeah, it'd be it'd be cool. If I could just take my battery out and put a new battery in. Like I don't. I don't understand the whole charging thing. I'd rather have a whole bunch of batteries. That's just me. rechargeable batteries much different.
Yeah, definitely. Like, to me, it's like, you know, drones went that way where you can like, Well, some of the drones that are modular, it went that just replace the parts and it's good as new. But with the phones are just like, okay, you know, I gotta get a new one.
Brandon Zemp 30:36
Yeah, isn't it kind of weird the f2 like a portable charger? That's like completely separate from your phone. You have like a dongle for it and everything. Like, why wouldn't you just have like a, like a battery that you could recharge and like a couple of them and then like pop them out of your phone and put in the new one.
So it was the CI. So it's like QI or something. So any phones that were like part of the part of that they could charge within that same time unity. But any any but again, like it's like fragmented ecosystems. So it only works if they had that battery in their phone. So if they were like part of that partnership, they had it on their phone, and you can charge like five phones at once. If not, if it was something like iPhone and doesn't, you have to like get that data set and say okay, here it works with the Apple Watch. And
But yeah, I just
Brandon Zemp 31:30
did, could you make? Did you make like a modular like, charging component that you could like, switch out?
I've seen I've seen some hacks like that on I don't know if you're familiar with Instructables or textured,
Brandon Zemp 31:44
a little bit like people,
they do a lot of DIY projects, just to like, not have that fragmentation in their house, like to them as like smart home means like, not having these smart home battles with each other. Like I just want them to talk.
Brandon Zemp 32:00
Yeah, yeah, it. I think modular is kind of the future. I think a lot of people like customizing and making things unique, especially like their devices and everything. So I mean, as they get smaller, and they move from your hand to your ear to your wrist. I mean, I think they're still going to get modular in a lot of ways, whether it's hardware software, so kind of excited to see where that goes and where people take it.
Yeah, like to me where wearable tech is, is. It didn't fly off as well as I thought. But the moment people were starting using Apple watches for like health reasons. It started clicking with more and more people now. Now they have rings. That look definitely a lot more stylish. And it wasn't like couple of years ago. Yeah. But yeah, now it's really cool to see that.
Brandon Zemp 32:48
That actually kind of leads into one of the questions I want to ask about, like, where the future of tech is going. Are you familiar with rakers? Well,
is singularity AI, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I he had a he was helping crypto chicks in there in just our last hackathon. That just passed. Okay.
Brandon Zemp 33:09
Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. That's cool. Yeah, he's got. I've followed him for a long time, he actually spoke at Pomona when I was down there for college, which was really cool getting to hear I'm like talking person about some of the stuff like where the future is going from his vision, where texts going and how we're going to advance and things are going to change. Definitely fun to listen to. What do you guys think? tech is going in the next 1020 years since you guys are kind of like boots on the ground in the industry, you guys are making things you're hacking things, you're seeing it all, far more than the average person, where do you guys think text going and 1020 years.
Definitely inside of medicine, like, the way I look at is like some one size fits all. But now you can have like these nanobots deliver medicine where it's needed, like there's biodegradable technology now, like, it's definitely, you can definitely treat it a lot better. You know, all these smart home devices, they can also be like your own personal doctor. We're Alexa can no way can sense your mental health. At the moment, I can't even imagine just a few in, you know, in a few years of like, of requiring services if they hear you having a heart attack or so. So to me, it's just like, you know, having that smart home assistant. Also play in the row reflects more health, better health, because the thing is like the average age, in America, I think it's like around 55. So it's going to be like a lot more focus on on wellbeing, health. And the second part, I believe that will be changing by the end of this decade is definitely a lot more responsible use of technologies, especially given the attention on Facebook on what they're doing with data, we might we might, we will have data rights by the end of this decade. That's what I believe. And secondly, the you know, separation of state and money. So to me, it's like that is or where a lot of focus is happening. So to me, it's like better medicine and responsible use of technologies.
Brandon Zemp 35:34
Do you think blockchain will be mostly responsible for the for protecting data?
Yes, I believe that data sovereignty is is definitely needed at the moment and more countries are understanding that they need to be on top of this or, you know, it's To me, it's like the competition will help.
will help make the market realized that it's needed?
Brandon Zemp 35:59
Absolutely, definitely agree with you guys. I mean, I think that's where it's going to, and hopefully those advancements definitely come in healthcare, and definitely in a monetary sense, as well. I mean, we got all kinds of crazy stuff going on. So hopefully, we see a lot of tech advancements in those industries. Early on,
I was really interested in like vertical garden, vertical gardens. I one point like to me, like, you shouldn't be growing food in like, the typical way we've always done it, it can be like, grown inside these facilities much closer to the cities, because about how is it like, a lot of cities right now are embracing vertical gardens, vertical farming. Singapore, like they, they used to import so much food like spinach, and now they've constructed so much for so many vertical farms that, you know, 30% of the agriculture is is is is is is local. And to me, like, you know, being able to impact that those carbon goals is important.
Brandon Zemp 37:08
How do those vertical gardens work? Exactly, I've heard of them. But I mean, I'm just trying to picture that.
A lot of plants don't really need dirt. So a lot of them, there's like hydroponics and they have the lights that are powered by renewable energy. And they have it at a good temperature. So I also think in Arizona, they also do vertical farms a character I think it's called sky farms or such. Yeah, Sky farm culture. So a lot of the chefs have started investing into and those are tech exec yeah. Oh, yeah. For me really excited in the end and Puerto Rico it what's going on in Indiana? What are you talking about? The V farms? Oh, yeah. Be farms. Yeah, really like this. So basically, me like their own be energy unit, just to be able to count the BS because before he had a break the frame very invasive. Break the frames was very invasive way of counting bees, you had to break their friend, honey account, you said you had to break the hives down. And kind of that way. And obviously you can't count very well, if they're all moving around. So they had away where they're using AI to count the bees. And they made their own be energy unit to see how big is the week and I love that. This it's actually called the B company. So it's like a pun on being a B Corp. But yeah, is because
Brandon Zemp 38:35
they'll be company.
Yeah, the big company. I can't remember the lady's name. But we met her in Indiana.
Brandon Zemp 38:42
Very cool. Awesome. look that up. That sounds interesting. Like I I can't imagine having like a human try and count bees. Like there's just so many of them. Like, it's incredible that AI can do that. In the first part.
Yeah. So I mean, you know, farmers need a lot of help. Because, you know, the bee colonies are some are collapsing sons, so they need better innovation and how they can help restore some of these populations, or at least know how can their farm be better pollinated? So it's really interesting. You know, normally you see like, the cloud of, you know, different subscription service. Now they have subscription service for how many bees? So it's just so interesting to see that.
Brandon Zemp 39:26
Yeah, that's really interesting. Is there anything that you guys are doing, like events projects, hackathons that you have coming up that you want?
Yes. Put out there. Yeah. So we're helping with the crypto kids camp. So the previous crypto kids camp, gone very well, we had spectrum TV also come out. They were surprised that it was happening in the neighborhood of Inglewood. And we had kids from Barcelona, come to attend the workshop, a lot of these kids, you know, at the age of 13, you know, they have access to a blockchain wallet, before they have access, uh, you know, a bank. So a lot of them, they are variants in gaming, but they understand it's not, it's not a big jump away to understand cryptocurrency because they're already familiar with virtual currency. So to them, it's not to them, it's like, oh, I can, like carry this with me and sell it in somewhere else, or, you know, or they can use it to improve their situation, because I'm like, you should be asking an allowance from your parents. You guys should be getting allowance from the blockchain, like you guys should be using these services. You know, what does Instagram give you likes? You know, on this application, you get sense or or such. Yeah. Awesome.
Brandon Zemp 40:37
Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Thanks for coming on, guys. Like I really appreciate it. Great, great talk, great conversation. There's a lot of cool stuff in there. I think a lot of people will enjoy hearing about and, again, thanks for coming on.
Yeah, so the next crypto kids camp will be in December. So we had a dozen kids try to sign up or we're just finishing up the website at the moment, but we'll send you the link once it's completed.
Brandon Zemp 40:59
Yeah. So seven the link and I'll post something on it. Do you know when in December?
I believe it's 626. Yeah.
Brandon Zemp 41:07
Okay, cool. I'll keep an eye out for it.
Brandon Zemp 41:10
Yeah, of course. Alright guys, have a great week. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate it.
Thank you. Take care.