Jordan Last - Founder of Podcrypt

In this episode, Jordan Last joins me to discuss Podcrypt, a platform that allows you to listen and optionally donate back to podcasts that you enjoy the most.

Transcription

Brandon Zemp  0:00  
Hey guys, it is Wednesday, October 16. This week on the podcast, Jordan last joins me to discuss his project. pod crypt Jordans. A pretty cool guy. He's an entrepreneur at heart and He is the founder and developer for pod crypt. pod crypto allows you to listen and optionally donate back to podcasts automatically fairly via a peer to peer method. As always, don't forget to subscribe and share this episode with somebody that you think would like to learn more about blockchain. Alright guys, enjoy.

This is the block hash podcast.

How you doing Jordan? 

Jordan Last  0:40  
Doing well.

Brandon Zemp  0:43  
How's your Friday gone? 

Jordan Last  0:44  
Fun just doing tons of pod crypt and podcasting and programming. 

Brandon Zemp  0:50  
So tell me a little bit more about yourself and for the audience so they can kind of get an idea of who you are in your background. 

Jordan Last  0:57  
Yeah, sure. So I grew up in

in the Bay Area, San Francisco Bay Area in California. I always have loved tech. My dad did software engineering. So I always looked up to him for that. And I graduated with a degree in Computer Science from Brigham Young University a couple years ago.

I love open source. I love the web, you know, software engineering software developments, just kind of what I'm into and I have also been listening to podcasts for like 15 years now. So I just big fan of,

you know, podcasting software, all that. And blockchain Of course, and cryptocurrency, what attracted you to blockchain and podcasts and whatnot? Yeah, if I like technology, at least, like our digital technology and the internet, ever since I was very young, like, I was born in 1991. So ran into Dawn of the web, essentially. And it's just fascinating to me for some reason, like, just everything you could do. I mean,

Video games helped like the 64 and stuff, which is mind blowing. But yeah, being able to get in chat rooms and like talk to people anywhere in the world and Yahoo logins with old school games and stuff. And

I don't know, just something about it just has always fascinated me. So I always just kind of tinkered around and tried to make little websites or tried to learn how to program and just just tinker with it. And then

it was kind of obvious for me what to choose for college, like, I started in Computer Engineering, and then I switched to for computer science. And partway through my college years, I did a education technology startup, and I was the CTO, which is essentially the, you know, the programmer in charge of all of our software infrastructure, all of our hardware infrastructure. I had to think about scaling. And you know, what would happen if we had tons of users which we never

So actually, it's probably a little bit of a waste of time for me to think about it so much. But I did think about it. And it was just always a pain. Like, no matter what, no matter what hosting provider, no matter if we're using AWS or, you know, infrastructure as a service or platform as a service that was supposed to abstracted away. It was, it was complex, it was like a

Dominic Williams from dfinity describes the current like text axes, Rube Goldberg machines, we just have all these interlocking pieces, just doing just crazy stuff. And it's, it's hard to get the security right, it's hard to get a taxi scale and the the mental models are complex. So as I was kind of digging through all those things,

I was trying to come up with you know, making this all better. And, you know, decentralization in a protocol. I mean, I'm a student of the internet, I love the internet stack, the set of protocols and, and, you know, I kind of go back to those a lot whenever, I think

This is like they did something amazing with the communication of data, being able to send data from one processor machine anywhere in the world to another process, or machine. And the way it achieves is through a massive amount of decentralization. And so I started thinking, how could I? How could I decentralize? our databases? Like, could I somehow get our machines? You know, when people's browsers are open, maybe they could be the database and they could share data and then I will have to deal with keeping all this infrastructure up. And so yeah, just just thinking thoughts like that. somehow found my way to Bitcoin anything mid like spring 2017. I decided, this seems very intriguing. It's time to really dig in. And to do that I listened to a ton of podcasts. So I've been in ever since just trying to learn everything I can. And now I'm trying to to help build this revolution. 

Brandon Zemp  4:57  
Very cool. Yeah, I'm and I'm a 90s baby as well.

It's really cool to grow up with dial up internet, like there

with like AOL and everything and then get to the point where we're almost in 2020. And we have some pretty sophisticated AI we have virtual reality just on the horizon here right about to really kick off and AR and augmented reality and and now with blockchain really gaining ground and all these new technologies, creating different foundations for our world and solving real world problems. It's really cool time to grow up and being a 90s kid it's it's really interesting to to watch that development from the beginning of the internet when it really was first getting started to where we are now where it's it's so fast and it's so fast and vast and ever changing. It's Yeah, it's a fun time to be alive. 

Jordan Last  5:59  
It's Fascinating, like, there's so many parallels to how the internet and web has developed in the blockchain cryptocurrency space now, so I'm very optimistic. 

Brandon Zemp  6:10  
Yeah, me too as well. I share the same sentiment. So let's let's talk about pod crypt a little bit. I know that, like you said you got into podcasts as well. And I assume you listened to quite a few and you enjoy him as much as I do. How did you decide to start pod crypt? Or what was the original idea or inspiration behind that? 

Jordan Last  6:32  
Yeah, so I'm also like, I love technology. But I also feel like I am an entrepreneur at heart. So I'm always, you know, it's kind of thinking of ideas. I would love to financially support myself and have an actual successful startup. I've already been involved in a few. So yeah, just kind of just being involved in the space. The brave project kind of came on

my radar and I thought

was a brilliant project to be able, if people don't know the brave browser is essentially a browser that blocks all third party advertisements by default, and then it lets you donate to websites based on how much attention you give each website. And so the model was just very intriguing to me. And I don't remember the exact inception of the idea. But essentially, I thought, Well, wait a minute, what could we do the same thing for podcasts? And the more I thought about it, like, you have to create a podcast app, if you're going to be able to have that kind of data, about, you know how the user is spending their time on each podcast and brave didn't seem to be covering that use case.

They might later with an SDK that they're going to come out with, I've heard but it seemed like, you know, this is a open field. It's kind of intersection of many things that I enjoy. So it seems

a natural fit to pursue. 

Brandon Zemp  8:03  
I use brave as well actually have it in my browser right now. Then it works really well. And it's it's obviously a project that's also very early, but I really like the concept behind it. And the fact that they're using this auto distribution model to reward the website creator, to reward the person that's putting out content or that's providing something

on the internet to the world. And that idea definitely has grown on many other platforms as well. And we've seen it on Steam, we've seen it on sent, which is also getting really popular. It was kind of wondering for a while if we were going to have one for podcasts, because podcasts are growing tremendously in popularity. So I was very excited when I saw what you were doing with pod crypt because it's not only a really good idea

But it solves a lot of problems for podcasters that are putting out content that don't necessarily want to run ads.

Because ads aren't always attractive, and they kind of take away from the entire vibe of the podcast. And that maybe that's not in every case. But I've definitely noticed that

throughout different industries where you need advertisers to make money as an artist or as a creator, and I think it's a really interesting thing to introduce the podcast so I really like what you're doing with pod crypt. Definitely dive into this a bit more with you. So how does pod crypt work? Exactly? I know that it works like as an auto distribution hub for podcasters. But can you tell me a little bit more about how pod crypt works? And a little bit more detail? 

Jordan Last  9:55  
Yeah, sure. So essentially, it is a podcast listen.

app or a pod catcher, similar to any of the other popular ones like, you know, Apple has their own podcasting app, overcast stitcher podcast addict on Android. So it's the same concept.

Every podcast is available essentially.

Because uses podcast uses the iTunes Search API, so it will search every podcast on Apple podcasts.

If it's not available on there, you can always take the RSS Feed of Your podcasts and pop it straight into the search bar podcast and it will pull it straight up so

you can listen to anything. And what I've built on top of that is pod crypt will keep track locally in your browser of how much time you spend on each podcast.

And then I've also built in a NE theorem, a cryptocurrency wallet

Starting with the theorem, other cryptocurrencies will follow, but a wallet is built into the, into the browser into the app. And you can load funds into that wallet. And so you have a balance, and then you can set a payout amount. So for example

$10 is what you want to donate, and you can set an interval. So I think most people are probably just familiar with Yelp all pay $10 a month for something. So you could you could choose an interval of 30 days. I have an interval of seven days usually, but you can set it to anything you want, essentially. So that's, that's how it works. You you listen to podcasts, and you can set up one recurring donation to automatically be split between all the podcasts and pod crypt also takes a comes up as a line item

with the podcast when you're donating so podcasters

Patrick gets a percentage as well. 

Brandon Zemp  12:02  
Gotcha. So it's fully automated and a lot of ways. So basically, when someone it defines, like where your attention is being placed on these other podcasts correct. So and then it auto distributes based on how much attention you give to one podcast versus another. 

Jordan Last  12:18  
Yep. And that's, I think it's important. It's extremely automatic. It is as automatic as I could possibly get it right now you just load up your balance, set your pad amount and set, set your interval, and then you don't really have to look at it if you don't want to, after that it will take care of it. And its privacy. I'm trying to focus a lot on privacy and decentralization. Like everything happens client side. I don't custody your funds or your keys. I there's really I have one server running just for proxy to to deal with some browser security issues. But like, yeah, this is it's essentially open source software. That

A gift to you.

And you you do what you want with it essentially. 

Brandon Zemp  13:04  
So for for not podcaster, but for the listener. So when a listener deposits Ethereum into their Ethereum address with pod crit, so that they can auto distribute, what? What's the incentive behind the listener doing that? Or is there going to be incentive in the future? Because I know like with other platforms, like sense, for example, if someone distributes a small amount of theory, and let's say, eight cents to somebody, because they like their content, they have an incentive to do that. Because anyone else that distributes a theory into that same piece of content after them, they get a piece of that, a small portion of that, I believe that's how their platform works. So there's an incentive to not only put out content but to like or comments on someone else's content.

As well into engage, is that something that's in pod crypto now or that you're looking at doing in the future? 

Jordan Last  14:07  
Yeah, right now. So everything is focused on creating the minimum viable experience. Want to make an MVP to try to reach product market fit essentially, to see if this ideas even going to crush on? So for now, no, it's just pure. If you want to donate, here's an avenue for donating. So yeah, that's that's how it is. Now.

If you look at the ever roadmap up at podcaster, the app about and

one of the things I do want to experiment potentially, next year, most likely would be Yeah, similar to Patreon like, all right, if you donate, you somehow get exclusive access early, like or early releases. I've even thought of potentially doing like a token model as an

If you if you're a podcast, you could create a token for your podcast and, and your listeners would receive the token as they listen. And maybe you could use that for, I don't know, perks on the platform or some kind of point system. But the but the problem is

a lot of these ideas even sent in like steam and all these things. I think they're, well, obviously they're all new and unproven. So I'm trying to be careful and kind of prove out my assumptions one at a time before I try to do something crazy, I guess. 

Brandon Zemp  15:37  
No, I totally understand that. What one idea actually it would be kind of interesting is like you're talking about like, if someone like in the future if someone contributed to someone else, gave them a theorem or distributed theorem to them that they could receive like a token back and be really interesting to like, do like an ERC 721 token

for individual podcasts were where they're contributing a certain amount and they earn like a token that that is non fungible. Much like an NFC, where it's can be interesting. Yeah. Where it's completely unique in that might hold some value depending on how popular the podcast Yeah, there's some interesting angles, we could definitely play with that. 

Jordan Last  16:23  
Oh, yeah. I just so for example, like, I'm not thinking you'd receive it for, for donating, but you'd receive it just based on your time. Listen, so like, for example, you could have like a badge, a non fungible badge that you receive. If you reach like 20 hours of listening or something. And I don't know. That's a cool, yeah, that would be really interesting. Just is probably 

Brandon Zemp  16:46  
how many podcasters have you on boarded so far? So I know you were working on that not too long ago, and I pay attention to the telegram group when I have time, but were you out with that now? 

Jordan Last  16:58  
There's like 25

casts verified. So there's going to be fewer podcaster. Some of them have multiple podcasts.

So yeah, and they're all in the crypto space right now. 

Brandon Zemp  17:09  
Yeah, that's a good start. I mean, and especially to have them in the crypto space because that obviously helps push the agenda of the platform and everything. When did you launch pod crypt? 

Jordan Last  17:19  
So came up with the idea last summer.

Did validation didn't seem to work out.

Last, then last summer, picked it up again in January of this year.

You know, late December, January,

did some validation for a couple months, and I really started working on pod kept developing it at the end of February, released the pre alpha in March. released the alpha in April, I believe, okay, March or April.

We were in alpha until about one week ago and I released a beta last Friday. 

Brandon Zemp  17:58  
Gotcha. Yeah, I think

SR. Yeah, so you guys are you're definitely very early with us. Which is good, though. And it's so far been really pleasing to us very easy. I haven't noticed any issues with it. 

Jordan Last  18:12  
Yeah, it's, I mean, my philosophy is ship early and often and iterate and just try to get feedback. So, and I personally, I made a goal. When I started developing it, I publicly said, I'm not going to use any podcast apps except for podcast from now on until I get the MVP out. And I have stuck to that. And I use pocket for everything. 

Brandon Zemp  18:39  
That's good. 

Jordan Last  18:40  
So I listened to a ton. 

Brandon Zemp  18:41  
So I'm just I'm just kind of thinking here because I have so many ideas running through my head now.

It's it's cool learning about something like particular but when it's like really early and brand new because and then you start thinking about all the different directions that could possibly go and all the things you could possibly do, especially when you have like an

Auto distribution type model for podcasts which are growing tremendously. I'm sure you're well aware of that. What about like a mobile version? Have you like thought of doing something like an app or something on the phone? 

Jordan Last  19:12  
It is mobile already. 

Brandon Zemp  19:14  
Oh, it is.

Is there an app for it? Or you just, 

Jordan Last  19:18  
you just go to just go to pod clip the app. And that's it.

It's a progressive web app. So

yeah. So if you have an Android device, you can add it to your home screen, it gets its own icon comes up in the App Store. It looks and feels and acts like a native app, essentially. So

on iOS, it's a little it's a little farther behind. But yeah, it's definitely built to work just fine. And Safari. 

Brandon Zemp  19:44  
Okay, so you just you Google, Google it and Safari and pull up the website and and see if it's your own screen. 

Jordan Last  19:49  
Yep. Just Yeah, you just go to podcast to app and then there it is. It will has all the same functionality across every platform. I mean, there's there's a few minor issues.

Especially with iOS, but it's essentially, it all works. 

Brandon Zemp  20:05  
Have you thought about doing a native standalone app for it? 

Jordan Last  20:09  
Yeah, definitely thought about it. But definitely it's not in. No, I'm not not going to do that most likely, for a few reasons. So 

Brandon Zemp  20:19  
what are the main reasons that you can?

Jordan Last  20:22  
I mean, one is, I really don't want to accept Apple's terms and be subject to their arbitrary rules.

Another is, I don't believe in in the native app development model, like as a developer, I feel like it's overly complicated. And it doesn't, it really doesn't make sense to have to develop an app using technologies for one platform versus another when you're building a universal application that it's the same on every platform, right? So there's really no reason why you should be have to have multiple implementations and so with one code base

One person working part time in six months, this app works on every major platform.

And you just cannot get that with a native app. 

Brandon Zemp  21:10  
No, it's interesting. I haven't heard that perspective before it, it makes sense to, I don't know if they have it or not. But it'd be interesting if they had a decentralized App Store. Not and I'm not talking, like open see where they have all these games and everything. But like, apps that are just decentralized, don't belong to the Apple Store don't belong to the Android store, like does that exist already? 

Jordan Last  21:35  
Well, I mean, in my opinion, like the web is that app store, right? The web is the greatest distribution platform for applications ever conceived, right? Or implemented, in my opinion. So I mean, progressive web apps is a it's it's young, but it's definitely a new paradigm that's coming up. And so I mean, you can go to like websites like PWA dot rocks, and

has like a directory of

progressive web apps. I think the Google Play Store allows you to submit progressive web apps to their store. So I mean, I don't think yeah, there's there's not like, a decentralized app directory, as far as I know. But I feel like the web is, is that path forward, in my opinion, 

Brandon Zemp  22:20  
would the biggest thing with listening to podcasts, at least with me, and I'm sure it is for a number of people is being able to download it and then have it on your phone offline?

For when you go on the plane and you go on a long road trip or whatever, being able to use the little personal computer in my pocket to listen to a podcast without having to access internet the entire time for the podcast. Are you so I know that there's I believe there's a download feature with pod crypt. Correct. Does that download it onto your phone? off the internet? It does. Okay. 

Jordan Last  22:58  
Yep. Yep, it sure does.

iOS and Android and the desktops. 

Brandon Zemp  23:02  
Okay. Yeah, I definitely check it out then. I didn't know you guys were were able to do that for mobile versions that yeah, that definitely helps. 

Jordan Last  23:12  
Yeah, I mean, that's what that was. Pretty much I spent the summer figuring that out. It was kind of difficult to deal with, especially iOS, but it all works now. 

Brandon Zemp  23:21  
That's good. And so in terms of growth for pod crypt, how are you looking at growing it? Are you trying to get us to a seed round or get a VC at some point? Are you going to just start small with it and grow naturally or what's what's your tentative plan for that?

Jordan Last  23:41  
Yeah, right now, tentatively. Yeah, I want to bootstrap and keep my team small, keep everything lean. I would love to go full time on it. So I am actively trying to seek like non equity funding. So

you know, grants

Essentially grants. Or maybe I'll just save up enough money in the next few months and then and then go full time. But I mean, before I reach product market fit or you know, before I see the growth over the last few months, looking like it's going to be definitely successful. I'm kind of keeping the risk low. And I don't want to deal with venture capital at this point. Right. So that's kind of my plan. 

Brandon Zemp  24:24  
What about private investments outside of like a, like a VC? 

Jordan Last  24:28  
Oh, like an angel. 

Brandon Zemp  24:29  
Yeah. 

Jordan Last  24:30  
I mean, potentially. I'm pretty. I mean, I'm open to talk to any one about it. But right now, I'm just curious. I'm not I'm not seeking it, I guess. 

Brandon Zemp  24:42  
No, I'm just very curious. Because it's a really good product so far. And I'm just kind of curious what your thoughts are on it and everything but I mean, there's no right or wrong way of how to, to grow something like that. Especially when it's we're in a time of

being able to

crowdsource and funds through tokens all over the world now and all these different ways to raise money to be another interesting way to do it too. I know Icos have kind of taken a negative image in the media lately or have been portrayed negatively in the media. That'd be an interesting way as well to raise money to build pot crypt to do like an Ico or to crowdfunded at some point. 

Jordan Last  25:25  
Yeah, I've considered that. I don't really want to make a token or coin for pod crypt but I mean, I can't think I don't you have ideas for other ways to crowdfund that like Kickstarter? 

Brandon Zemp  25:37  
I mean, you could do like, what I could think Kickstarter, and I forget what or Indiegogo or whatever it's called, that those would be really interesting to I just since it's kind of related to crypto, I just brought the whole Ico thing I personally would have no idea how to do an Ico nor would I want to do an Ico just because you put a red flag up on it and then the SEC starts looking at you and

It just creates issues and will

Jordan Last  26:03  
definitely be regulatory, complex and expensive. 

Brandon Zemp  26:07  
So yeah, from a regulatory standpoint, it'd be a little bit of an issue. But I mean, there are a lot of ways to crowdfund now it is so it, it'd be interesting to do like, something on Kickstarter, Indiegogo. 

Jordan Last  26:19  
I would be I mean, I might as well try. It's not. I don't feel like I lose much. It wouldn't take that long to put it together. And, yeah, why not? If it fails, I'll just be sad and embarrassed, but that's fine.

Brandon Zemp  26:33  
I mean, you got an interesting product, and it works really well. And I mean, to get to the next stage, I can't imagine it being a ridiculous dollar figure. So I mean, why not put it up on Kickstarter and see what happens? 

Jordan Last  26:46  
Yeah, I think I'll definitely think about that more. 

Brandon Zemp  26:48  
Now. Kind of pivoting from that to back to some of the stuff and the details with pod crypt. I know that you can use this a theorem right now but is the plan in the future

To expand it so that people can auto distribute with Bitcoin on the platform or a different kind of all coin. I know in the timeline, you mentioned using die. What are your plans for that in terms of expanding different ways to contribute to a podcast? 

Jordan Last  27:19  
Yes, what you said is definitely what I'm planning on doing. So right now, the wallet only supports ECE and podcasters can only accept the truth. But the next major thing that I'm going to work on is essentially allowing the user to have a creative framework for the user to have any cryptocurrency and be able to donate to podcasters who accept any cryptocurrency I want to build that framework in so it's easy on the programming side to add that in but I'm going to start with di, the decentralized stable coin, it's pegged to the US dollar and USD CMI after that because dynasty see will be very, very similar on

Programming side dad, and then the first one outside of the ether and blockchain will probably be Bitcoin because it's Bitcoin, right? And the network effects and the Zealot see of, of people who own Bitcoin, I think will be very helpful to the adoption of project. There's some technical issues. I mean, I think anyone relatively familiar with Bitcoin understands that the fees, the transaction fees aren't super friendly, but 

Brandon Zemp  28:29  
you can do something with lightning network.

Jordan Last  28:32  
I mean, I, personally, I'm not a fan of aligning their work. And also, I just think, to technically do the lightning network, I think it would be

the user user experience might be hard to actually get down. But I think the Bitcoin layer one might be good enough because the podcrypt use case is you send out a bunch of transactions at once, and so

We'll be able to match many transactions into one. And so I can consolidate the fee. So you can pay like, all your podcasts, and you'll pay one Bitcoin transaction fee, instead of a fee for each combining that with segue, and maybe if they can implement your signature to stuff, you know, it might be it might be viable for a few years. I mean, the so I think I can do it in the short term, in the long term, I think bitcoins on a path to destruction essentially. So we'll see what happens. But short term thing I can add interesting, why do you 

Brandon Zemp  29:38  
Why do you think Bitcoin is on a destructive path? 

Jordan Last  29:42  
So I mean, just technically the, the technical architecture of the layer one is not going to scale. There's a fixed amount of block space. So there's a fixed number of transactions that can go per, you know, every 10 minutes you only

They have a fixed number of transactions second, get in there, and the block reward is going down steadily like every four years it happens, right?

So as the block reward goes down, you need to compensate the miners with transaction fees.

And so the blocker word is going down, and it's going to go down quite a lot it within like 16 years, it'll be like below, right, a Bitcoin or so. And so, as that goes down, the number of transactions cannot increase based on how, you know, I mean, there were huge debates over increasing the block space and the Bitcoin Core developers refuse to do it. And so if you don't increase the number of transactions, you have to increase the price of the transactions to compensate so it's not going to scale and layer one. So lightning is is the solution essentially, is the proposed solution. But lightning takes on chain transaction fees to on ramp an off ramp and so if lightning

Cheese mass adoption, I just feel like there's going to be still an issue. Like, even if lightning scales. The layer one's not going to scale. And so it's still going to be very expensive. And then if you stay within lightning, well then you've just created this second layer solution that is not Bitcoin anymore. It's now lightning, which lightning doesn't have the properties of the Bitcoin network. The Bitcoin network itself does. So I just don't I don't know. I still I mean, I invest in Bitcoin and Ethereum, but I'm just I'm skeptical with bitcoins future for scaling. 

Brandon Zemp  31:39  
Don't worry, I'm skeptical about the entire space all the time. It's healthy. But I mean, at the same time, I mean, technically when you look at it, lightning network, at least in my opinion, lightning network looks like a fairly viable solution, at least for right now. Because instead of placing one transaction into a block

On the blockchain, you're you're placing an entire ledger of transactions that can happen over a given period of time and at almost limitless amount, which definitely helps solve the scalability of Bitcoin and how are they going to make that easier? I'm not really sure. I mean, I've used lightning network and it does have a lot of promising benefits. And I don't see people using Bitcoin on everyday basis, unless you believe in the Zealot part of Bitcoin ism, and making that work of Bitcoin ism, where you think that a single bitcoins going to be worth a million dollars, it's going to create trillions of dollars in liquidity, and then on an everyday basis, you'll use the smallest denomination of Bitcoin, which would be Satoshi. Yeah, and I guess that's possible

for a number of reasons, but I mean, we were talking about definitely the block size going down and getting cut in half and then

every four years

Whatever. I mean, the only thing that would justify that is the bitcoin price going up, which it has over the last 10 years, pretty religiously. I mean, I think the interesting thing is going to be whether or not people stay in Bitcoin faithfully, when the rest of the market matures, when a theorem continues to mature, and creates alternatives to Bitcoin under a theorem and then all these other projects, there's tons of other projects that are obviously aiming to solve this issue. And I'm definitely not a 100% all in for Bitcoin nut.

Yeah, but I do see the advantages that are being offered through lightning network for Bitcoin and I'm very hopeful for it. And I hope that it does work out. That'd be awesome. But

the same time I am skeptical of it. So I mean, I don't know if Bitcoin will be like the ultimate solution. Yeah, you know, a theorem has its own problems too.

Obviously, a theorem can't get their gas fees.

down, they can't come to consensus to implement new features for it to upgrade it to get it to what is it a theorem 2.0 they're aiming for. Yep. So I don't know, I think there's a fair amount of skepticism for just about everything in the space. But yeah, that's just that's my little sermon on the matter.

Was there anything that you wanted to talk about pod Crips, specifically, or anything that you have coming up with it? Or is there anything else that you're working on that you want to talk about? I'll kind of leave the end of this open ended for you. 

Jordan Last  34:34  
Okay. Yeah, um, let me think so. I think the main thing about pod crypt is you can use it now. You don't have to donate if you don't want to. And you just go to pod crypt app. And you can use it on on all the major platforms right now. So I think that's I think we covered most everything for pod trip. So that's pretty good.

I did I kind of experiment

qubit another project couple weeks ago called sustain us, and essentially the pod crypt, or the brave model, but for open source software, so it's very similar you you install an application on your desktop computer. And if you're a developer, you have a ton of open source dependencies that you've installed. And so sustain us, we'll go and scan them all and find a theorem addresses in the configuration files and let you set up you know, the same thing set up a donation amount in a in an interval. So I experiment with then did some validation.

I think this model is a powerful model. And I, my vision of the future for content, which I would love for this to come true is essentially you voluntarily choose how much you can give. And you just give one subscription to essentially everything. So like, okay, I'll get by one.

hundred dollar per month subscription to the internet. And it'd be amazing if somehow that could be split up between, you know, all the people that are providing value. And then you just have it even more open, free and, you know, flexible internet, essentially web of content. So that's what I want to try to help build. And I definitely don't think pod crypt is going to do this alone, even in the podcasting space. But I hope pod chip becomes an example to the other podcast apps of you know, a viable a funding mechanism for the app and for podcasts and there's nothing proprietary to podcasters model. Like, they could just copy the features and I'm going to podcasts already open source, the repos private right now I want to keep it kind of close. So I can just kind of move quickly and stuff but you know, I'll even open that up eventually. And so I think together, we can

Hopefully change the podcasting industry and then move from there. 

Brandon Zemp  37:03  
Yeah, I hope so I'm podcast industry is growing crazy. It'd be awesome to see some upgrades to it some changes, some positive developments and in merging podcasting with crypto and blockchain, so love what you're doing with it. And hopefully pod pod crypt does

does a lot of good and continues to develop and become successful and if not definitely at least paves the path. So, yeah, thank you for everything you're doing with that and the same time. Thanks for coming on and taking the time to be on the podcast and share a little bit about pod crypt and what you're doing and whatnot. definitely appreciate it. 

Jordan Last  37:43  
Thank you. It's been awesome. 

Brandon Zemp  37:45  
Yeah. How can people follow you or follow pod crypts? I know you have a telegram channel, what's the telegram channel and then what's your your Twitter handle? I know you're pretty active on Twitter. 

Jordan Last  37:58  
Yeah, so the telegram handle

Is pod crypt or the group name is pod crypt? So you can go t.me slash pod script, or my Twitter handle is at last and JS. Awesome. 

Brandon Zemp  38:13  
Well Jordan, thanks for coming on. Really appreciate it and talk to you again soon. 

Jordan Last  38:17  
See ya.